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Please give me some direction with respect to narrowing down my choice for either one or two subwoofers.
Budget: $1200-1500
Size of subwoofer: not critical
Room size: Rectangular, open ended room. The ceiling is 8 feet. The wall that the TV
and three front speakers is on is 17 feet wide. The room is approximately
30 feet long, but it opens up into the kitchen and basically the rest of the
downstairs, so it is not an enclosed space.
Primary use: 50/50 Movies/music
Listening habits: I would say most of the time I listen at a "comfortable" level of loudness , but sometimes I will crank it up. I am not one who is in search of the "chest thumping" bass affect. I want the subwoofer(s) to let there presence be known during a movie, but not be overpowering. As far as music goes, I want the sub(s) to compliment my main speakers by giving a fuller sound.
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Current gear: Denon 3312ci, Energy RC-70s, Energy RC-LCR, Energy in ceiling surrounds, Denon blu-ray player

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Based on your above, in the simple, a bit more then your stated budget, three, Rythmik, LV12R subwoofers.
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I would go for two subs, of either Power Sound Audio XV15s, XS15s or Hsu VTF3s.
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Budget: $1200-1500
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Room size: Rectangular, open ended room. The ceiling is 8 feet. The wall that the TV and three front speakers is on is 17 feet wide. The room is approximately 30 feet long, but it opens up into the kitchen and basically the rest of the downstairs, so it is not an enclosed space.
Room size = 4,080+ cu.ft. At a minimum, two PSA XV15s ($1,518.10, shipped).


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I'm personally a fan of rythmik but hey haven't made a sub around the 700 dollar range to be on the middle of the lv12r and fv15hp.

So if I was in your shoes I'd be looking at 2 svs pb12nsd

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Or you could always buy one fv15hp and if u want buy another in the future

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So if I was in your shoes I'd be looking at 2 svs pb12nsd
FWIW: Dual PB12-NSDs are $1,449, shipped. By all accounts, dual XV15s will easily outperform them, and for only ~$70 more.


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FWIW: Dual PB12-NSDs are $1,449, shipped. By all accounts, dual XV15s will easily outperform them, and for only ~$70 more.

True but he also made it clear that chest thumping bass was not a requirement. He also made it clear that 1500 was the Max hugest he wanted to spend. I was recommending the best sub I could think of within his budget. If he truley has no desire for chest thumping overpowering bass then I would imagine the svs's would be plenty and I don't see needing to spend the extra 70 even.

Now with that being said if I were in his shoe I would personally extend my budget and pay the extra 70 for the xv15s and have the power.

Hows that?wink.gif


There's also the vtf 3 mk4 from hsu. For 669 per sub right now if u were dead set on that budget

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True but he also made it clear that chest thumping bass was not a requirement.
Right. But I didn't recommend the XV15s because of chest-thumping bass.
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He also made it clear that 1500 was the Max hugest he wanted to spend.
Right. But since he's already looking at spending $1,500, an extra $18 (not $200 or $500) shouldn't be much of an issue if, in return, he ends up with a pair of powerful, well-rated subs.
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I was recommending the best sub I could think of within his budget.
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If he truley has no desire for chest thumping overpowering bass then I would imagine the svs's would be plenty and I don't see needing to spend the extra 70 even.
But since the XV15s will easily outperform the PB12s for only $70 more - and for only $18 over budget - they're definitely worth considering. Especially since his room is well over 4,000 cu.ft. in size.

How's that? wink.gif


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A pair of XV15 or a pair of Outlaw LFM-1 EX special price now for $1258 shipped. I would take the LFM-1 EX pair and use the saving for the REW or measuring gear.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html
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Ya don't get me wrong i would totally no doubt at all would personally choose the psa's with the extra 70 bucks and i wouldnt even think twice about it.


Honestly iv been really trying hard to strictly stay within the budgets of the posts. This is because IV seen several threads on here where ppl are getting way out of hand and over the posters budget. (I'm not saying u were at all I personally think your recommendations of the dual 15s for the extra 70 was a smart and close enough to budget recommendation) for instance there's a thread here where someone asked about a sub with 300 dollar Max limit.
Obviously the klipsch rd12w was recommended first
Then someone said to just get a lil extra cash and go with a lv12r 589 dollars
Then someone said if your gona do that just spend a lil more and get the outlaw lmf 1 or whatever it is for like 630 bucks.

Obviously now they were over double what this Guy wanted to spend.

Sorry didn't mean to get off topic just something IV been noticeing.


In all honesty I think your recommendation of the dual 15s is the best one on this page even over mine

So hows that?biggrin.gif

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I get what you're saying. And, normally, if someone says max budget is X dollars, I try not to discuss sub(s) over that budget. But I figured that $18 wasn't going to break the bank. smile.gif

So, yes, strictly sticking to a max of $1,500, dual PB12-NSDs - or dual Outlaw LFM-1 EXs (at their current sale price w/ shipping included) - are the best options.
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Tuchea my friend! biggrin.gif

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The way I see it, subwoofers are not emotionally based appliances and when someone posts that they want recommendations for a thirty foot long, open room, I'm giving them a recommendation that will suits the room's acoustics and a room that large needs three, even four subwoofers. Below is what the OP posted in their original post:

"Room size: Rectangular, open ended room. The ceiling is 8 feet. The wall that the TV
and three front speakers is on is 17 feet wide. The room is approximately
30 feet long, but it opens up into the kitchen and basically the rest of the
downstairs, so it is not an enclosed space."

The room is 4,000 cu ft and an open design. Despite what the poster posted about his bass preferences, two subs in a 4,000 cu ft, open venue is not even come close to doing this room justice and pretty much, everybody here posting, knows this. In my opinion, two subs is going cause this room nothing but sonic fits.
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The way I see it, subwoofers are not emotionally based appliances and when someone posts that they want recommendations for a thirty foot long, open room, I'm giving them a recommendation that will suits the room's acoustics and a room that large needs three, even four subwoofers. Below is what the OP posted in their original post:

"Room size: Rectangular, open ended room. The ceiling is 8 feet. The wall that the TV
and three front speakers is on is 17 feet wide. The room is approximately
30 feet long, but it opens up into the kitchen and basically the rest of the
downstairs, so it is not an enclosed space."

The room is 4,000 cu ft and an open design. Despite what the poster posted about his bass preferences, two subs in a 4,000 cu ft, open venue is not even come close to doing this room justice and pretty much, everybody here posting, knows this.

I don't think anyone said you were in the wrong by recommending that.

Some ppl don't have room for 3 subs depending on furniture and layout

And some ppl don't have the WAF

Three subs would be great in this room but I think 2 xv 15s would be nice and if he wanted to upgrade he could add 3rd down the road instead of a 4th lv12r if he wanted more from the rythmik end.

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Personally I think 3 lv12rs would be awesome. I have 1 and love it. I wish rythmik would make a ported sub in the 750dollar range so I could recomemd those. I love the rythmik subs.

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The way I see it, subwoofers are not emotionally based appliances and when someone posts that they want recommendations for a thirty foot long, open room, I'm giving them a recommendation that will suits the room's acoustics ...
No-one questioned or argued or put down your recommendation - even though it was substantially over budget - so there's no need to get all aggressively defensive.
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No-one questioned or argued or put down your recommendation - even though it was substantially over budget - so there's no need to get all aggressively defensive.

Agreed

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Agreed

What's to agree with as $1,767 is not substantially over a $1,500.00 budget (17.8% over budget) by any stretch of the imagination and considering how some here have behaved, my defensive behavior is very rational.

Note how the last two posts above this post have been directed at my post in an uncalled for fashion.

When multiple subs are added to the shopping care, IIRC, a 5% discount applies to multiple subwoofer purchases which would reduce the cost of the three subs to a delivered price of $1,678.65 or 11.91% over budget. A simple phone call to Rythmik would establish a price on a three sub purchase and if "B" stock, the price could be reduced by that much more.

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$1,767 is not substantially over a $1,500.00 budget by any stretch of the imagination.
Seriously? It's almost 20% over budget.

But, again, no-one dismissed or put down your recommendation, so there's no need to get aggressively defensive about it.
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No-one directed any uncalled for posts at your post #2. But out of nowhere, you decided to raise an uncalled for "defence" of your post #2, even though no-one had "attacked" it. Other than getting your post count up, I can't imagine why you felt the need to raise an uncalled for "defence" of your post #2, which no-one had "attacked".
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Edited: Whoops. My vain attempt at humor on this topic was deleted by me, because after I saw the two comments above, mine didn't look so funny anymore.
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Fellas, this is the internet. We don't know each other, and frankly speaking for myself as a newbie in these forums, I see 99% of the posts as people trying to help people.

We are going to disagree about things, but that's OK. Speaking for myself, I LIKE hear differing points of views, it helps me think for myself. That's why there's not just one subwoofer company selling their product for one price, we all want something different sometimes, and for different reasons. It's OK, really.

It's not personal against another person, and if it is, it shouldn't be.

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C'mon, give the guy a break! It's always fun spending someone else's money. cool.gif
I agree. But no one was hassling BeeMan until he decided, completely out of the blue, to make this thread all about himself. Again.

Anyway, the OP has my thoughts on what he should buy. So I will bow out and let BeeMan tilt at windmills. Again.

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What about the used Captivators?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447972/jtr-captivator-2-passive-price-lowered-now-accepting-offers

Perhaps go with those and a good used amp to power them and you should have something which will fulfill your needs.

If you wait it out and search diligently, you can come across some excellent subs which will suit your needs and your budget.

OTOH, many manufacturers offer discounts if you buy multiple subs so it never hurts to ask. Companies such as Power Sound Audio, HSU, Chase Home Theater and many more.
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Wowwww just for the record on my part beeman I wasn't attacking u and I never seen any others do so either.

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I'm personally a fan of rythmik but hey haven't made a sub around the 700 dollar range to be on the middle of the lv12r and fv15hp.

So if I was in your shoes I'd be looking at 2 svs pb12nsd


one xv15 has more output than 2 pb12nsd's... 2 xv15's for 1500.00 shipped is a smokin deal for the performance...they pressurize my room so hard it makes my vision blurry. I am also a fan of rythmik but im not a fan of the price. Fwiw Tom @ PSA is one of the original guys from SVS, so yea. Now if the op only wants one sub then a Rythmik FV15HP would be the way to go.
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The room is 4,000 cu ft and an open design. Despite what the poster posted about his bass preferences, two subs in a 4,000 cu ft, open venue is not even come close to doing this room justice and pretty much, everybody here posting, knows this. In my opinion, two subs is going cause this room nothing but sonic fits.


Beeman I respectfully disagree...Im dealing with about the same size space once you factor in the other 2 areas of my house that my living room opens into. I must say the xv15's are more than enough to pressurize the room. I can feel bass thru the whole house clear out into the garage.
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