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I have a sealed 1100 cubic feet home theater room, that needs an subwoofer.
I wants a subwoofer that plays very well with both music and movie, and I like low frequencys with punch.
After lot of reading on internet, this is the three speakers I have come down to:
JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer VS FunkAudio 18.1

Does anyone have experience with this three subs, and which do you recommend and why (pro, cons)?

What works best one 15'' sub with two drives and 1KW amp like Seaton SubMersive, or a 18'' sub with one drive and 2.4KW amp like JTR Captivator S1 ?

In a small room like my sealed 1100 cubic feet home theater, is it enough with one sub or should I have two?
Will it be to much with two large subs as over.

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in that size room any of those choices should be enough to crack drywall...go with whatever you can get the best deal on. If you want my honest opinion, get a rythmik F25 for 1579.00 shipped and save yourself a bunch of money. That sub will dominate 1100^3.


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I think the price is very similar on all the speakers over. I will go with the speaker with the best sound for music and HT, nice finish, and can go deep. Thats why I want to hear the peoples experience with this speakers.

Do F25 have multi voltage amplifier, I can not see the technical data?
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In one of the sub shootouts the new S1 was compared directly to the SubMersive HP, it was pretty even from what I remember reading with the SubM HP just barely being the preferred sub for music and the Cap S1 slighty beating out the SubM HP as the preferred movie sub.

I'm sure it was in this thread if you care to give it a read.
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While I think the F25 is a good sub, IMO it's not in the same league as a SubMersive HP or Cap S1.

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I think the price is very similar on all the speakers over. I will go with the speaker with the best sound for music and HT, nice finish, and can go deep. Thats why I want to hear the peoples experience with this speakers.

Pick one, Home Theater or Music as despite what you and others might say, one can only have one and the other choice will have to live with the first choice. In the end, they're all good so the question becomes moot.

How loud do you expect your sound system to go? What's your budget? What's your plan? What are your expectations?

(When you ask about multi-voltage, are you asking if the subs have 120/240v, 50/60Hz capability?)

Where are you located? Have you given the manufactures a call?

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While I think the F25 is a good sub, IMO it's not in the same league as a SubMersive HP or Cap S1.

I agree, but how much does one need for 1100^3 room? Also, how can you assume that being there is very little data on the F25? what we do know is the F25 is going to be similar to the FV15HP around 20hz, actually -1db, but more than likely will have 3-4db gain outside of the FV15HP's port tune. So yea roughly 125-127db output with Extension down to the single digits and Rythmiks sealed subs are highly praised for being musical...so thats why I put that option out there. Its all up the the end user and the F25 might suit the op's needs, not to mention could save him a grand in the end. smile.gif
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I think the price is very similar on all the speakers over. I will go with the speaker with the best sound for music and HT, nice finish, and can go deep. Thats why I want to hear the peoples experience with this speakers.

Do F25 have multi voltage amplifier, I can not see the technical data?

You can always contact Brian @ Rythmik...Also Fwiw I do not own any Rythmik subs, I actually own a pair of PSA XV15's, so I am offering you a unbiased opinion. If I had a unlimited budget to drop on subwoofers I would get a JTR Captivator or Seaton HP, however I am betting a Rythmik F25 would do very well in that room and save you some coin. the Seaton and Rythmik will be very comparable in sound quality... Once you appraoch the 125-127db levels and still want more, well then Seaton may be the way to go. The general consensus around here is that most folks will recomend products that are more capable than a persons ears will tolerate. All three options you listed plus the Rythmik will achieve that...after that its all about bragging rights. Do you want the Corvette ZR1 that cost $125,000 and is capable of 190mph, or do you want the $250,000+ Lambo that will do 200mph?
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Instead of one massive sub, why not just go with two big subs. You might just go with two Rythmik FV15s or Two Hsu VTF15h subs. That will have a tremendous amount of output in that room, and it would do more to fight cancellation nulls. You might also think about Hsu ULS-15s and Rythmik F15HPs.
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Instead of one massive sub, why not just go with two big subs. You might just go with two Rythmik FV15s or Two Hsu VTF15h subs. That will have a tremendous amount of output in that room, and it would do more to fight cancellation nulls. You might also think about Hsu ULS-15s and Rythmik F15HPs.

In a 1100cft sealed room, how will two Rythmik FV15s subs work compare to one JTR captivator s1? Will the JTR captivator s1 still beet the **** out of the Rythmic?
I can see the Rythmic have a selector switch for 110/230 volt, so the Rythmic sub can be actual. Its difficult to decide what to go for. I think I will either go for JTR captivator s1 or two Rythmik FV15. In according to Seaton web side they dont deliver the HP with 2.4kw amp in 230 volt, but JTR deliver 2.4kw amp in 230 volt. So then I will go for JTR if I buy one large sub, insted of two smaller subs. I dont have budget, so I just buy what I want.
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Two FV15HP's should have more output then a single Cap S1, an S2 would be a different story but then again it cost more then dual FV15HP's.

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Ok so now we are talking about ported subs and 2 at that...Op Contact Brian @ Rythmik and see what he recomends. If your biased towards music then Brian will most likely recomend a sealed sub. I would still look at a F25, in a small room like yours dual subs may not be needed. the point of dual subs is to smooth out the bass response, especially in larger rooms. Again contact the manufacturers for advice.
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Small sealed rooms beg for sealed subs. I am not so sure any one sealed sub will deliver 127 dBs though, especially down low, good luck with that. They all will have similar displacement with the funk nudging the CapS1 and I am not sure about the submersive. If you up your budget to the CapS2 you will never look back and second guess yourself. You could build one awesome DIY sub as well right now that would have more dispalcement than all but that is another whole ballgame. If I were you I would go CapS2 and never look back. A High excursion sealed sub will get you flat to low single digits in that room or a ported sub can give you higher spl in the 17hz and above range. It all depends on if the sealed sub can go loud enough for you in that same range, if it can go full bandwidth.
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Pick one, Home Theater or Music as despite what you and others might say, one can only have one and the other choice will have to live with the first choice. In the end, they're all good so the question becomes moot.-

This is crazy talk. Any of the subs he mentioned will provide great sound quality for both "music" and "home theater" use. Why settle for one when you can afford to get the best of both worlds?

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Small sealed rooms beg for sealed subs. I am not so sure any one sealed sub will deliver 127 dBs though, especially down low, good luck with that. They all will have similar displacement with the funk nudging the CapS1 and I am not sure about the submersive. If you up your budget to the CapS2 you will never look back and second guess yourself. You could build one awesome DIY sub as well right now that would have more dispalcement than all but that is another whole ballgame. If I were you I would go CapS2 and never look back. A High excursion sealed sub will get you flat to low single digits in that room or a ported sub can give you higher spl in the 17hz and above range. It all depends on if the sealed sub can go loud enough for you in that same range, if it can go full bandwidth.

the xs30 from psa is capable of 126-128db @ 2m in the 40-63hz range. thats right were you want your output for MUSIC! I would think the f25 and the other 3 subs mentioned should be able achieve that easily...especially in that small room. fwiw my xv15's hit 122db @ 30hz from my listening posistion according to my radio shack spl meter uncorrected...that would be 125db corrected and still had some head room left. that was playing a bass mekanik cd. of course below 20hz not many subs are going to achieve those levels, well maybe the funk audio 18.2 will get close. what is it rated at 117db from 5-20hz?
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Well, When I look at output I want it to be flat to the lowest frequency I need so when someone says 127 dBs I don't want just a small range, I want it to 5-10hz as well and why I said no sub can do that. It takes multiples of most. Hell, I was playing Bass I love you at 120 dBs on my meter and that was 7-15hz. I am not sure what that was corrected but it was cool.

OP, pick which ever is smallest, cheapest, or best looking as they all would do great. My opinion is save some money and get the S2. Even a single ported Cap will get you to 15hz in that room with lots of output. I guess it depends on your goals.
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Well, When I look at output I want it to be flat to the lowest frequency I need so when someone says 127 dBs I don't want just a small range, I want it to 5-10hz as well and why I said no sub can do that. It takes multiples of most. Hell, I was playing Bass I love you at 120 dBs on my meter and that was 7-15hz. I am not sure what that was corrected but it was cool.

OP, pick which ever is smallest, cheapest, or best looking as they all would do great. My opinion is save some money and get the S2. Even a single ported Cap will get you to 15hz in that room with lots of output. I guess it depends on your goals.

damn thats some serious output!! you must have to listen with a meter because surely you have no ears left biggrin.gif

I believe I hit 115db at 15hz corrected...my subs are wimpy compared to yours lol.
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NO, I just have 12. My max at my LP with sine waves is 127.5 dBs at 10hz with 10% THD. I pushed it to 130 dBs with 12% THD. It will go louder with regular movie or peak program as sine waves are much harder to do.
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NO, I just have 12. My max at my LP with sine waves is 127.5 dBs at 10hz with 10% THD. I pushed it to 130 dBs with 12% THD. It will go louder with regular movie or peak program as sine waves are much harder to do.

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Does any one know how the Funk audio 18.0C or 18.1 with 1.5KW amp will work compare to JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer?
I had decided to buy the JTR Captivator S1, but now Im not sure any more. I try to place an order but It`s very difficult to get answer on my e-mails to them.
I send an e-mail to Seaton for 1 week ago, but still no answer back.Thats not acceptable. When I send e-mail to Funkaudio they answer quick and proffesional.
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Does any one know how the Funk audio 18.0C or 18.1 with 1.5KW amp will work compare to JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer?
I had decided to buy the JTR Captivator S1, but now Im not sure any more. I try to place an order but It`s very difficult to get answer on my e-mails to them.
I send an e-mail to Seaton for 1 week ago, but still no answer back.Thats not acceptable. When I send e-mail to Funkaudio they answer quick and proffesional.

Timely response and customer service should be the number 1 priority with Internet Direct...all of these subs mentioned are killer products, so give your business to the company that earns it!!
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Does any one know how the Funk audio 18.0C or 18.1 with 1.5KW amp will work compare to JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer?
I had decided to buy the JTR Captivator S1, but now Im not sure any more. I try to place an order but It`s very difficult to get answer on my e-mails to them.
I send an e-mail to Seaton for 1 week ago, but still no answer back.Thats not acceptable. When I send e-mail to Funkaudio they answer quick and proffesional.

Well first off if you're interested in any JTR products you need to call Jeff, he's a very busy guy these days trying to keep up with all of the orders for his Noesis line of speakers.

Secondly, you would compare a 18.0C to a CapS1 and the 18.1 to a Cap 2400, the 18.1 is a ported design like the Cap 2400.

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Does any one know how the Funk audio 18.0C or 18.1 with 1.5KW amp will work compare to JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer?
I had decided to buy the JTR Captivator S1, but now Im not sure any more. I try to place an order but It`s very difficult to get answer on my e-mails to them.
I send an e-mail to Seaton for 1 week ago, but still no answer back.Thats not acceptable. When I send e-mail to Funkaudio they answer quick and proffesional.
Call them on the phone. wink.gif SubM Hp (I've got 2) or the Cap S2 are worth the $$$$. The amps alone cost $1200. Take a look at Speakerpower.net
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I honestly can't imagine that much bass in such a small room. Seems crazy overkill to me but what the heck do I know! I'm going to be blown away by my dual PSA XS15 subs in my 2600^3 room! I can't even imagine dual XV30/XS30 subs in my room where some would want more. rolleyes.gif

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I honestly can't imagine that much bass in such a small room. Seems crazy overkill to me but what the heck do I know! I'm going to be blown away by my dual PSA XS15 subs in my 2600^3 room! I can't even imagine dual XV30/XS30 subs in my room where some would want more. rolleyes.gif

One of the forum members KevinH has dual JTR Orbit Shifters in a room that's the same size as yours eek.gif now that's crazy.

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i've sat in on the testing and some of the design of the 18.0C and 18.1. ive heard the JTR but not the seaton.

i like the massive sound of the jtr, but the tuning gets a bit tiresome after a few hours (i think its anechoic).

l really like the sound of sealed designs, but when Nathan asked me to do a blindfold test to see if i could tell the difference between the 18.0 and 18.1..... i could not hear the difference at first. it took about 10 min, but in all honesty, it was the little bit extra air movement from the port that i felt on my legs (i was wearing shorts) that gave it away. the 18.1 is the most tight and balanced ported design i have ever had the pleasure of listening to. it behaves almost like a sealed design.

personally, i would go with the 18.1 for the way its tuned, the performance to sound quality ratio is so well balanced, its just impressive.

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Does any one know how the Funk audio 18.0C or 18.1 with 1.5KW amp will work compare to JTR Captivator S1 VS Seaton SubMersive Subwoofer?
I had decided to buy the JTR Captivator S1, but now Im not sure any more. I try to place an order but It`s very difficult to get answer on my e-mails to them.
I send an e-mail to Seaton for 1 week ago, but still no answer back.Thats not acceptable. When I send e-mail to Funkaudio they answer quick and proffesional.

Hi Dartvidar,

I had seen a response from Kelly which was e-mailed to you last Monday after Jeff & I separately returned from the GTG in Iowa. I was already on the road for this event when your e-mail came in. It would appear that for some reason the did not get through to you.

We have been testing the SubMersive HPi (international version) with a handful of our experienced customers overseas and domestically. In our extended testing we have found a few details to improve reliability and function before releasing both the new units for sale and the upgraded units. Explained in the e-mail was that we are bringing the sale of the new 1000W version of the SubMersive to an end and with the HPi amplifier in sight, even if that could be up to 3 months away. Since you will be shipping these overseas, you will need the HPi version of our SubMersive.

We have many overseas customers who are eager to upgrade, and we want to have added confidence in the reliability before we suddenly ship more than a hundred amplifiers overseas. That confidence only really comes with some time in the field. We will only be taking e-mails to contact when available, we won't be taking any orders on the SubMersive HPi or upgrade option until they are readily available. I well understand if that wait does not fit your time line.

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why dont u go for dual cap s2??cool.gif
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