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post #31 of 48 Old 05-06-2013, 06:00 PM
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What qualities , besides flat FR and distortion, make up accuracy for a subwoofer?
Are these qualities that make a subwoofer accurate different from those that make a speaker ( bookshelf/ floorstanding) accurate?

This is just me writing for the heck of it, its not really meant for people to take personally or crucify me b/c I like to write.

this becomes a point of personal preference. after FR, Dist., and accuracy, you are looking at cosmetics and eq (essentially... maybe Q, but most high end stuff is what it is). ask yourself "what sounds the best to me?" and run with it. i've been getting all kinds of flak and horrible messages for being a "funk audio only guy", but the point is that i can tune FA speakers to do what i want and sound the way i want them to sound. so for me, there is little reason to start shopping again. i have literally found my audio Shangri-La/nirvana/state of blissfulness.
i dont need my harmon kardon, marantz, or mitsubishi anymore, b/c my amp does all i need and more with less distortion.
i dont need 20K plus speakers, b/c mine are all active dsp and have stupid amounts of power handling with less distortion.
the guy who build my stereo is a phone call or email away, and i can talk to any one of the 4 people who had a hand in building it.
to me i just makes sense.

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ports should be silent, if they are not, then they are not working as the principal of a helmholtz resonator dictates. nathan schooled me on this one and i ended up looking like a total dork. so does the sealed/unsealed design play a role? only if the design in the either is a poor design. now i have said that i do not like ports in the past, but my opinion has changed because i heard a proper ported design.
how important is presentation to you? does it have to look awesome? some don't care, so why spend the extra money?
distortion is evil, so i avoid it at great cost, and that is the fundamental reason i have made the decisions i have in my equipment choices.

Bill F had it right. asking what is the ultimate is like asking what is the best anything in the world. its all relative to the person. i like BMW, my dad likes Ford, and my cousin likes Mazda, we all have our individual "ultimates". But then again, i really try to look for the positives in other peoples tastes, try to see what they see, so i can at least have an appreciation for others tastes.

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So this is OP's only post ever and didn't respond after 8 days? I'm guessing he's not in the market for a sub and just looking to start a flame war :P
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I tend to agree.

However, philosophically speaking, the "ultimate subwoofer" would be the one that leaves a big ol' smile on your face and never causes you to wonder "Would I be happier with something else?"
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the ultimate subwoofer is the one thats flat across the fr range from5-150hz +/-3db and is not affected by room modes, so there is no eq'ing needed. Since no such thing exists, I believe there is no ultimate subwoofer in existance. however there maybe ultimate subwoofer's, but its going to take atleast 2, some sort of eq'ing most likely, and possibly room treatments.
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The MFW-15

biggrin.gif I kid I kid!! biggrin.gif

Now Sir, that was funny for those of us who remember the hype around those subs before the implosion!

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I tend to agree.

However, philosophically speaking, the "ultimate subwoofer" would be the one that leaves a big ol' smile on your face and never causes you to wonder "Would I be happier with something else?"

agreed. thats kind of what i was saying, but different-er and not so ADD.

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So this is OP's only post ever and didn't respond after 8 days? I'm guessing he's not in the market for a sub and just looking to start a flame war :P

the guy is a bit of a maroon. oh well, im kinda proud his troll-like shenanigans amounted to bugger all.

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Now Sir, that was funny for those of us who remember the hype around those subs before the implosion!

no, it wasn't funny..... it was hysterical! biggrin.gif:D

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16 gjallarhorns. All 4 corners, all 4 walls and twin double stacks up front for good measure. Is it even a sub anymore or a WMD?

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16 gjallarhorns. All 4 corners, all 4 walls and twin double stacks up front for good measure. Is it even a sub anymore or a WMD?

Now I am obligated to report you to the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)! wink.gif. My god man, 16 gjallarhorns would be something to behold.

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16?!

Two is already more than my house can handle!
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A couple of these Mothers should do the Job, The client knows how to get the best get Mark Seaton and Keith Yates to team up and Design a Sub:

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7553-Something-a-bit-more-extreme-BIG-Subwoofer!
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A couple of these Mothers should do the Job, The client knows how to get the best get Mark Seaton and Keith Yates to team up and Design a Sub:

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?7553-Something-a-bit-more-extreme-BIG-Subwoofer!

I'd now do this with a 200-240V 12kW amp, but delivery charges are extra!


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16 gjallarhorns. All 4 corners, all 4 walls and twin double stacks up front for good measure. Is it even a sub anymore or a WMD?

I just realized this adds up to 12. Twin double stacks nearfield for good measure. wink.gif

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I just realized this adds up to 12. Twin double stacks nearfield for good measure. wink.gif

12 or 16, that is the question. and im not sure, but i think yes is the answer.

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