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Hey guys. I am in the process of picking up all new gear. I am finished and am waiting on my towers to arrive. I am looking for insight on a new sub. My space is limited where it actually sits. (don't ask) I have 16.5" width, 19" in height and around 23" in depth available. Yes, it is required to sit under this table near the TV. Not worried about a budget at this time. Just want a good sub for both music and movies. I like solid uncluttered bass.

You can see my current gear that I am in the process of hooking up in my signature.

I heard some subs at a local store this weekend but, they were busy and it was hard to make out the differences.
I like the Def Tech Super Cubes but some on AVS say they are not all that great. I do like to keep to the same brands......
I also am interested in the SVS compact sealed.
Maybe Martin Logan.
JL audio? so darn expensive. I actually had the F110 once for a short while.

Anyone? Share your sub hunt story.
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SVS and HSU Research have some options that would fit in that space.

Might want to mention your budget and room dimensions.

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Thanks.
No budget at this point. Room is 12 x 18 ish..... kinda of strange living room with one corner open to front door and hallway and the corner open to the dining room and another doorway to a family room. So not an isolated room. normal ceilings. Ranch house.

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Definetly would look at rythmik. My old sub was a tiny definitive tech. Pro sub 600. I thought it was awesome! Now that I have my rythmik lv12r I know what awesome really is. The acurracy of a rythmik is second to non for its price IMO

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I like SVS and rythmik. My next choice would be HSU.
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I noticed you haven't really listed a budget, but since you have JL on your list you must be willing to spend some cash. If you are looking at a sealed compact sub I would look at the following subs:

HSU ULS-15
Rythmik F15
SVS SB13-Ultra
Funk Audio 15.0
PSA XS15

And the not so compact but still compact for what they are:
Funk Audio 18.0C
JTR Captivator S1 (one of my personal favorites)

I'm sure I've left a few out but its a good start for you to look at.

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I think I am down to the DEF TEC SC6000 or the SVS SB12-NSD. They both fit under the table I need them to fit. The Rythmik F12 would fit too. So then I'm down to 3.

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I think I am down to the DEF TEC SC6000 or the SVS SB12-NSD. They both fit under the table I need them to fit. The Rythmik F12 would fit too. So then I'm down to 3.

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The SVS or Rythmic will blow the DefTech away...

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Of those listed, I'd suggest the Rythmik F12. Of course, if you could squeeze another 2" of width then a few more options may become available, such as the Rythmik E15 or Power Sounds XS15.
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No budget at this point.

One can't have a rational "recommend" a subwoofer conversation without a budget.

You've already limited yourself with your original post and subwoofers are the type of creature that owns the room, the room doesn't own the subwoofer. In the case of subwoofers, subwoofers are a lone wolf product and there's absolutely zero benefit sticking with brands that match the speaker system.

The most common misconception I read, regarding subwoofer recommendations is, no matter how hard one tries, you can't beat reality.

Price

Aesthetics

Performance

These are your choices and if you're going be hardcore regarding size and you don't want to give a budget, then one can't give a rational answer. Searching for the perfect subwoofer is like a bad rendition of Abbot and Costello's "Who's On First."

Just saying, first things first, ya gotta have a budget.

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One can't have a rational "recommend" a subwoofer conversation without a budget.

You've already limited yourself with your original post and subwoofers are the type of creature that owns the room, the room doesn't own the subwoofer. In the case of subwoofers, subwoofers are a lone wolf product and there's absolutely zero benefit sticking with brands that match the speaker system.

The most common misconception I read, regarding subwoofer recommendations is, no matter how hard one tries, you can't beat reality.

Price

Aesthetics

Performance

These are your choices and if you're going be hardcore regarding size and you don't want to give a budget, then one can't give a rational answer. Searching for the perfect subwoofer is like a bad rendition of Abbot and Costello's "Who's On First."

Just saying, first things first, ya gotta have a budget.

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Yes. I left that out of the OP but answered this question two comments below it. I don't have a budget. Just space issue as I like it to sit under this table so I do not have to move anything. Sounds like Rythmic is popular around here. I had never heard of them until this post.

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+1 to the Rythmik F12 and SVS SB12-NSD. The JL Fathom f112 will also fit nicely into the space you have.
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I don't have a budget.

Yes, I read that and a rational conversation needs a budget.

What are your expectations out of this, purchase to fit under a table, subwoofer?

If one doesn't want to be boxed in by a budget and insists that the table is going rule the room's aesthetics, then find a subwoofer that fits under the table and be happy with the sonic outcome. Without knowing it, your stated specifications are setting yourself up for subwoofer fail.
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Hey guys. I am in the process of picking up all new gear. I am finished and am waiting on my towers to arrive. I am looking for insight on a new sub. My space is limited where it actually sits. (don't ask) I have 16.5" width, 19" in height and around 23" in depth available. Yes, it is required to sit under this table near the TV. Not worried about a budget at this time. Just want a good sub for both music and movies. I like solid uncluttered bass.

You can see my current gear that I am in the process of hooking up in my signature.

I heard some subs at a local store this weekend but, they were busy and it was hard to make out the differences.
I like the Def Tech Super Cubes but some on AVS say they are not all that great. I do like to keep to the same brands......
I also am interested in the SVS compact sealed.
Maybe Martin Logan.
JL audio? so darn expensive. I actually had the F110 once for a short while.

Anyone? Share your sub hunt story.
Thanks.

Yes I guess that does sound lame. I am not worried about the price. I can afford whatever will fit in that little space. I had the JL audio 10" once but I sold it to a friend who really wanted it and Didn't think it was worth the price tag though it was very nice. The problem is the 17" width opening under the table. I am leaning toward the Rythmik F12. I know the table thing is lame but it's the other half's living room decor that I am not aloud to move eek.gif

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Price

Aesthetics

Performance

These are your choices
Ergonomics are also a factor. With the sub located underneath a table, accessing a rear-mounted plate amplifier's controls becomes even more of a hassle than usual. The f112 has front-mounted controls - very helpful in this situation. And, of course, it doesn't hurt that the f112 is a powerful and well-regarded sub. cool.gif
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I am not worried about the price. I can afford whatever will fit in that little space. ... I know the table thing is lame but it's the other half's living room decor that I am not aloud to move ...
There's nothing wrong with making compromises. In exchange for placement limitations, you get to spend as much as you want/need on a sub. Seems like a fair trade. smile.gif
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Okay, got it.

Budget not a concern.

WAF is a powerful force.

Must fit under the table.

The next concern, sonic quality and that requires three and four subwoofers so as to smooth out the sound waves as they bounce around the room (acoustics) and fight with each other; modes or peaks and valleys as sound waves like to reinforce and cancel each other out.

What are your placement issues regarding a single subwoofer vs three or four subwoofers? Multiple subwoofers are not about loud but instead they're about quality of subwoofer reproduced content.

Placement, measurement and EQ'g the measured content are the key considerations to quality subwoofer reproduced sound all of which are limited by the Wife Approval Factor; WAF.

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Ergonomics are also a factor.

And ergonomics as yes, during set up, access to parametric controls is a "VERY" valid consideration and while in use, access to the plug and the on/off switch are important secondary considerations.
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Okay, got it.

Budget not a concern.

WAF is a powerful force.

Must fit under the table.

The next concern, sonic quality and that requires three and four subwoofers

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again just go with the rythmik f12..you have severely limited your options with waf factor and needing to fit under the table.
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I agree. I do like the fact that the JL has front controls. That is helpful but that thing weighs a ton!!!!!!!! Thanks guys.

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Yeah, it is a bit on the heavy side at 115lbs. Then again, once you've slid it into place (using furniture coasters - something like this), you don't have to touch it again, so the weight becomes a non-issue. smile.gif
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i think the controls on the front are a nice option, but lets be serious how often are you going to need access to them? once the sub is calibrated via the avrs room correction software, there is no reason to touch the sub...all the further adjusting can be done from the avr.
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Still haven't read what your expectations are out of this purchase.
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i think the controls on the front are a nice option, but lets be serious how often are you going to need access to them? once the sub is calibrated via the avrs room correction software, there is no reason to touch the sub...all the further adjusting can be done from the avr.
True enough. With the SB12-NSD, this is much less of an issue than with the Rythmik F12, whose amp offers a variety of settings. I imagine with the F12 there would be quite a bit of moving the sub out of and back into position, experimenting with different amp settings to see which one works the best. But if this "short-term pain" is not an issue for the OP, then the F12 is a very solid option. smile.gif
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The controls on the front would be great unless you have little ones!...lol
I know my two would be all over that turning the knobs! not good eek.gif

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With the grille on, the controls are covered. And I'm willing to bet that if WAF says the sub must be under a table, WAF is also going to insist that the grille be left on. wink.gif

(Pity, because the "naked" f112 is a thing of beauty, IMO.)
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With the grille on, the controls are covered. And I'm willing to bet that if WAF says the sub must be under a table, WAF is also going to insist that the grille be left on. wink.gif

(Pity, because the "naked" f112 is a thing of beauty, IMO.)

LOL.... that wouldn't stop my two! Another reason why I'm building a false wall and using an AT in our threater room is because my two year daughter figured out she can pop the speaker grills off of the speakers!

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My expectation is too have the best clean bass possible out of a small enclosure. I like clean bass and I like it that way for music but still worth while for movies.
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