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Before I reveal which of these subwoofers I kept I wanted to reiterate that there is no winner here, for if there was that means there's also a loser. That's not the case at all because the SVS SB13 Ultra and Rythmik E15HP are both exceptional subwoofers,

Rythmik E15HP in 14Hz/Mid/No Rumble Filter/No PEQ tune




SVS SB13 Ultra - all options disabled




NOTE: the Spectrographs clearly demonstrate why the bass is so clean from both of these. All they do is make a sound and stop on a dime. Very impressive showing.

Thanks Jim for the very very good review, very objective and from neutral point of view and picking up the strengths of the subs in detail.

Can u help to share if the measurements are done with mic at the main listening position? Thanks. wink.gif
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Thanks Jim for the very very good review, very objective and from neutral point of view and picking up the strengths of the subs in detail.

Can u help to share if the measurements are done with mic at the main listening position? Thanks. wink.gif

You're welcome - I'm glad you found some value with my analysis.

The measurements are all close mic. Since room influences will be different for everyone I try and remove those from the equation.

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I deleted my first reply. I tinkered with the UMIK-1 and my laptop mic input settings and was able to get a more accurate SPL reading in REW. I believe this reading is more accurate. I took this reading my main listening position.

This is my first time using REW so I'm open to feedback on the graph settings and suggestions on how to better configure the E15. I'm thinking I should engaged the PEQ and try to address the null in the 50 Hz region. Any suggestions on the PEQ settings (bandwidth, gain, etc.)...even just a starting point? If not I'l just do some trial and error.



Based on this graph I think I'm running my subs too hot.

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I deleted my first reply. I tinkered with the UMIK-1 and my laptop mic input settings and was able to get a more accurate SPL reading in REW. I believe this reading is more accurate. I took this reading my main listening position.

This is my first time using REW so I'm open to feedback on the graph settings and suggestions on how to better configure the E15. I'm thinking I should engaged the PEQ and try to address the null in the 50 Hz region. Any suggestions on the PEQ settings (bandwidth, gain, etc.)...even just a starting point? If not I'l just do some trial and error.



Based on this graph I think I'm running my subs too hot.


Your scales look correct/standard.  I would not do 1/6th smoothing for a sub graph though, it just masks issues.  1/12th is ok imo, makes it readable but does not hide things as much.  Is this with both subs running?  Have you experimented with changing phase on the subs or trying any other placement optoins?

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Is this a 75db measurement? Is audyssey on or off? Did you take measurements with both Audyssey on and off. I would look at the graph with no smoothing or use 1/12 if you must.
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I deleted my first reply. I tinkered with the UMIK-1 and my laptop mic input settings and was able to get a more accurate SPL reading in REW. I believe this reading is more accurate. I took this reading my main listening position.

This is my first time using REW so I'm open to feedback on the graph settings and suggestions on how to better configure the E15. I'm thinking I should engaged the PEQ and try to address the null in the 50 Hz region. Any suggestions on the PEQ settings (bandwidth, gain, etc.)...even just a starting point? If not I'l just do some trial and error.



Based on this graph I think I'm running my subs too hot.
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Thanks for the input guys. I reran REW a few times and have concluded that I still need to tinker with it as the setting are off. I'll spare you the details but I'm having issues calibrating the mic (tried with two laptops...each produced weird results).

To clarify, the graph above is with Audyssey on, I believe I had dynamic volume/eq engaged (not on purpose, I just forgot the turn it off), and it's just the E15HP.

I have to pack for a camping trip but if I make good progress I'll try running REW again tonight on a third laptop.

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The mic is calibrated, and you should have been provided with a calibration file for your mic from miniDSP.  When you start REW with the mic plugged in, it should prompt you for the calibration file.

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The mic is calibrated, and you should have been provided with a calibration file for your mic from miniDSP.  When you start REW with the mic plugged in, it should prompt you for the calibration file.

I purchased the UMIK-1 from Cross Spectrum, which came with 6 calibrated profiles. My issue is twofold:

1) one of my laptops won't recognize the UMIK-1 as a "UMIK-1". Instead it recognizes it as a "USB Microphone". After a bunch of research I figured out it shouldn't be a problem and that I just need to load the calibrated file under the mic preference setting. The other issue; however, is that I can't get the SPL volume right on this laptop. I have to raise the master volume to excruciating levels (+10) just to hit 70ish on the SPL reading. I checked and I have the mic input volume set to max so I'm not sure what's going on. Other than a low SPL reading, I'm not sure if there is any other adverse side affects???

2) my other laptop recognizes the UMIK-1, but on this laptop it appears the SPL reading is too high. It idles at about 45 dBs with just background noise. The other problem is that when I connect the laptop to my AVR it produces a loud feedback sound from my subs, which must be throwing off the reading.

So...I'm going to try a third laptop maybe tonight. If that fails I have a fourth that I could try. I'm sure I'll get there eventually.

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This might not be relevant, but just in case... what is the format quality setting for the mic? Right-click the speaker icon in your task bar and you'll be able to access recording and playback devices. Choosing the former will give you a list of devices Windows sees, and if the mic is plugged in it should be one of them. Click on the device and hit the Properties button, that should take you to a dialog box with an Advanced tab. In their is where you'll find the quality setting for the mic. Perhaps that needs to be changed in order to tame the volume issue.

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This might not be relevant, but just in case... what is the format quality setting for the mic? Right-click the speaker icon in your task bar and you'll be able to access recording and playback devices. Choosing the former will give you a list of devices Windows sees, and if the mic is plugged in it should be one of them. Click on the device and hit the Properties button, that should take you to a dialog box with an Advanced tab. In their is where you'll find the quality setting for the mic. Perhaps that needs to be changed in order to tame the volume issue.

Thanks for this, Jim! It looks like the quality is locked on one setting: "2 channel, 24 bit, 4800 Hz (Studio Quality)". While it's a moot point for me, is it generally a good idea to select the highest quality option?

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Thanks for this, Jim! It looks like the quality is locked on one setting: "2 channel, 24 bit, 4800 Hz (Studio Quality)". While it's a moot point for me, is it generally a good idea to select the highest quality option?

The only choice is 24 bit? I've found many devices where 16 bit was the only option, but I'm not sure I've ever seen just 24. Either way... depending upon the device I'll choose 41,000 or 48,000 at 16 bits. Those are the settings I have the least compatibility issues with.

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Ok here's another attempt. No smoothing applied.

Red line = E15HP and Towers

Blue line = Empire and Towers

Green line = Both subs and Towers



As you can see I have a huge null with the E15 in the 55 Hz region. I'm going to measure the E15HP where my Empire is today for a more accurate A/B test.

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It seems like both subs are cancelling each other from 15-27hz. I had a similar problem with mine and I used the MiniDSP to cancel one of them in a small frequency range (in your case it will be the empire between 15-27). This can happen because Audyssey does not equalize the subs individually. Your other option is to look for different places. Your null at 55 seems to be covered well by your Empire.
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Ok here's another attempt. No smoothing applied.

Red line = E15HP and Towers

Blue line = Empire and Towers

Green line = Both subs and Towers



As you can see I have a huge null with the E15 in the 55 Hz region. I'm going to measure the E15HP where my Empire is today for a more accurate A/B test.
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Yeah I noticed that they were canceling each other out in the lower range, which is probably why I preferred to play one sub or the other but not both. I have two more places I can try the E15HP--I'll see what the graphs tell me.

It also confirms what I was hearing in terms of the E15HP having a better low end and, and due to the E15's null in the 50 Hz range, the Empire performing better in upper region.

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I think my Empire got upset at me because today it bit the dust. Heard a slight pop sound and now it won't power up (will check the fuse). Good timing I suppose.

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Your graph will rock when your matching E15HP arrives next week or so :D.  I would bet the different roll off is causing phases issues/cancellation down low.  Matching another E15 should solve that.

 

Also, try a 45-105 dB scale.  Its an unofficial standard and will give you 5 dB increment as well.

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Your graph will rock when your matching E15HP arrives next week or so biggrin.gif .  I would bet the different roll off is causing phases issues/cancellation down low.  Matching another E15 should solve that.

Also, try a 45-105 dB scale.  Its an unofficial standard and will give you 5 dB increment as well.

Yeah man, I think it's a sign that I need to hurry up and order another E15.

And something is wrong with my UMIK. The SPL reading is about 20 dBs too low (which is why the scale of my graph is off). Apparently other people have had this issue with the umik. I think the graphs are accurate just ~20 dBs too low. I'm debating if I should keep it or return it for another.

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I think I might swing for the fences. Got a promo at work so I'm thinking...maybe I order two more E15s to celebrate. Two upfront and then one near field next to my sofa should do it.

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I heard these are pretty efficient amps. Wondering if I might need to upgrade my electrical...cross that bridge when I get there:)

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Before I reveal which of these subwoofers I kept I wanted to reiterate that there is no winner here, for if there was that means there's also a loser. That's not the case at all because the SVS SB13 Ultra and Rythmik E15HP are both exceptional subwoofers, either of which I would be happy to live with day in and day out. This decision was harder than I expected it to be, even though I never thought it was going to be a piece of cake. In the end though my proclivity for articulate sound, and desire to configure things however I please, tipped the scales in favor of the Rythmik E15HP. For me the SVS SB13 Ultra was a 9, but the Rythmik E15HP was a 10. They were literally thisclose in my mind.
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Hi Jim, It has been almost a year since you posted your review. Are you still in love with your E15HP? I'm thinking strongly about buying one to put into my music-only 2-channel system.

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Brian Ding - the owner/engineer of Rythmik - is a music fanatic, so you can safely assume anything he sells will be very good with music.

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Really appreciate the opinions provided on this thread and I'd love to hear more how others feel about their impressions on these two fantastic subs.

I just received the Rythmik E15HP and SVS SB13U, and AB tested paired to my Magnepan 1.7's.

To me, they sound very different. Yes, the E15HP disappears better than SB13U. Great!!! However, SVS seems to dig deeper than the Rythmik. There is more low bottom end presence. I mean not necessarily playing lower but I hear more bass that's providing chest thump and bottom rumble. Not exactly as accurate but in some ways a bit more satisfying if one were to seek out bass. Not sure if my ability to discern good sounds have some role here since I am rather new to playing with audio toys. I wonder if SVS meant to build it to sound this way to add more whoomph. I couldn't help but think that 1000 watts RMS makes a significant difference. Technically speaking, 1000 watts shouldn't be that much louder than 600 watts(correct me if I am wrong here). As for E15HP, its bottom end sound is more finesse. The bass is sudden and stops at a dime. Like everyone has commented, it's fast and tight. I does seem to blend better with the maggies for most of music I listen to.

Initially I was thinking of returning one of them back but now I am leaning to keeping both. If only I can play them both at the same time but I haven't been able to find the settings to let them blend well together. Any opinions?
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I couldn't help but think that 1000 watts RMS makes a significant difference. Technically speaking, 1000 watts shouldn't be that much louder than 600 watts(correct me if I am wrong here).
Taken in isolation, the total wattage of the amp can't really tell you anything. There are many other factors to consider if you want to take specifications and extrapolate them into something meaningful.
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Initially I was thinking of returning one of them back but now I am leaning to keeping both. If only I can play them both at the same time but I haven't been able to find the settings to let them blend well together. Any opinions?
I would return one and add the exact one to the one you keep.
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Taken in isolation, the total wattage of the amp can't really tell you anything. There are many other factors to consider if you want to take specifications and extrapolate them into something meaningful.
+1. Totally different design, driver, enclosure, amp, so the wattage comparison is pointless. A 600W sub can have more output than a 1000W sub.
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I would return one and add the exact one to the one you keep.
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I mean not necessarily playing lower but I hear more bass that's providing chest thump and bottom rumble. Not exactly as accurate but in some ways a bit more satisfying if one were to seek out bass. As for E15HP, its bottom end sound is more finesse. The bass is sudden and stops at a dime. Like everyone has commented, it's fast and tight. I does seem to blend better with the maggies for most of music I listen to.

Initially I was thinking of returning one of them back but now I am leaning to keeping both. If only I can play them both at the same time but I haven't been able to find the settings to let them blend well together. Any opinions?
tvuong makes a good point and after reading your comments, it seems like adding a second Rythmik would help the things that you did not like about it. Adding another SVS would not help the things that you did not like about the SVS.
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^^ and with svs free return shipping, there's no out of pocket cost.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I may end up returning the SB13U. I still have the feeling that "I wish I would't have to choose". The wife definitely prefers the E15HP. It makes me wonder if there is a sub that has both the tight and more musical sound of the Rythmik and the more satisfying gut hitting sound of the SVS. Is it a classic argument in subwoofer domain? SQ vs SPL. Again, not saying SVS does not have good SQ. Tough choice.
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Really appreciate the opinions provided on this thread and I'd love to hear more how others feel about their impressions on these two fantastic subs.

I just received the Rythmik E15HP and SVS SB13U, and AB tested paired to my Magnepan 1.7's.

To me, they sound very different. Yes, the E15HP disappears better than SB13U. Great!!! However, SVS seems to dig deeper than the Rythmik. There is more low bottom end presence. I mean not necessarily playing lower but I hear more bass that's providing chest thump and bottom rumble. Not exactly as accurate but in some ways a bit more satisfying if one were to seek out bass. Not sure if my ability to discern good sounds have some role here since I am rather new to playing with audio toys. I wonder if SVS meant to build it to sound this way to add more whoomph. I couldn't help but think that 1000 watts RMS makes a significant difference. Technically speaking, 1000 watts shouldn't be that much louder than 600 watts(correct me if I am wrong here). As for E15HP, its bottom end sound is more finesse. The bass is sudden and stops at a dime. Like everyone has commented, it's fast and tight. I does seem to blend better with the maggies for most of music I listen to.
Disclaimer: After attending the audio show in Irvine, I’ve discovered that my ears may be so bad that I might not tell the difference between a beautiful sounding speaker and a 1960s transistor radio. That’s because once I heard several speakers that so many people have raved about, I wondered what the heck they were hearing that I wasn’t. So take everything I say with a grain of salt .

A couple of years ago I wanted to audition the Rythmik subs (F15HPse and the E15HP) but both were on back order (the F15 was a 6 month back order), so I ordered the SB13-Ultra instead. Obviously, I cannot compare them, but Jim did a wonderful job with his review here.

I think it “may” depend upon what type of music you play most and where you’ve crossed over your speakers and sub. I have a lot of CDs (SACDs and DVD-A’s) that have powerful and deep bass (pipe organs and synthesizers). The Ultra shines with my music. I’ve paired the Ultra with the Magnepan 3.6s and I use a very low crossover so the bass from the sub does not interfere or take over the bass panels (I use a 40 Hz crossover). This has given me the best of both worlds. I’m hearing the bass from my panels just as before, while the Ultra is picking up what my Maggies cannot reproduce. When I crossed them higher, I lost the panel bass and was not pleased. You may have to do some testing to see where your goldilocks zone is on the 1.7s.

Music area: Magnepan 3.6, McIntosh MC2205 & C48, SVS SB13-Ultra, Oppo BDP 95 and assorted equipment.
Movie area: EMP Tek R5Bi, PSA XS30, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
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