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I am in the market for a new sub. I want one that has phase control switch/capabilities.

I have an Onkyo txnr 818 receiver and vienna acoustics Bach grand speakers rated at 35 - 20000 hz. Our room is 22.5 ft x 22 ft with 13 ft ceilings.

We listen to both music and movies but want to optimize for music listening. We appreciate the less tinny Bach grands and want a sub that will match well whether we are listening to music or movies. I don't need to blast the walls down but still want decent power.

We were starting to look at SVS and Velodyne and REL. would love some guidance to narrow the search down for a good match for the setup


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You don't list a budget, so I'll suggest the highly-regarded Seaton SubMersive HP.


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Thanks. I'd like to stay below $1500 (new) and would be thrilled if I could get a decent sub for less than $800.
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I'd also like to stay below 13 inches in size since I don't want a sub that takes over my living room. Smaller would be better.
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Sounds like Dual SVS SB12's would be perfect for your situation..
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Dual http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/sb-1000 is one suggestion.

Edit...You would save $50 on buying dual and save $150 on buying the mentioned above dual.

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A single, smaller and less-expensive sub is going to have a hard time giving you what you want in a room the size of yours (~6,435 cu.ft.). (A single higher-end sub may find it tough going, too.)

If you can fit duals, +1 to the suggestion for dual SVS SB-1000s ($949, shipped):
- 300W RMS amp
- 12" driver
- 24-260Hz +/-3dB
- 13" x 13" x 13"

It's a bare minimum, but it's better than nothing and duals will give you smoother FR at the listening position vs. a single sub.

If duals won't work, a couple of slightly larger, more powerful and more costly single-sub options are:
SVS SB13-Ultra ($1,599, shipped)
- 13.5" driver
- 1000W RMS amp
- 20-460Hz +/-3dB
- 17.4" x 17.4" x 17.4"

Rythmik F15HP ($1,224 + shipping)
- 15" driver
- 600W RMS amp
- 14-200Hz (-2 dB @ 14 Hz)
- 19" (w) x 19" (h) x 19" (d - 21.5" w/ grille)


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Thanks, guys. This is very helpful! I will start checking into these recommendations.
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I also wanted to double check - will my onkyo tx-nr 818 have enough power to drive the larger subs recommended here - SVS SB13-ultra and rythmik F15hp
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Your AVR doesn't drive the subs - it just sends a signal to them and their built-in amps handle the rest.


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I don't think they are making that Rythmik sub anymore,I thought I read they were replacing it with a dual ported 12" version.
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Your AVR doesn't drive the subs - it just sends a signal to them and their built-in amps handle the rest.

Thanks - I am new to audio and learning as fast as I can!
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I don't think they are making that Rythmik sub anymore,I thought I read they were replacing it with a dual ported 12" version.
That would be strange, seeing as how the F15HP is a sealed sub. Maybe you're thinking of the FV15HP?


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No,its the FV15
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How about the PSA-XV15 for $800 shipped, or their dual subs PSA-XV30 or the front firing XV30F for $1400. I wish I could afford the XV30F, but it looks like I will have to settle for the XV15.

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How would the dual psa xv30s compare to the dual svs sb-1000s?

Which ones would have more flexibility for musicality and movies? I don't want to regret what we get and want to make sure the duals will be powerful enough for our space...
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Two completely different subs, with completely different cost. You can't compare 15" drivers to 10" drivers. If money isn't an issue the PSA will be much better for music and movies.

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How would the dual psa xv30s compare to the dual svs sb-1000s?

Which ones would have more flexibility for musicality and movies? I don't want to regret what we get and want to make sure the duals will be powerful enough for our space...

In short.. the dual SVS option would not hold a candle to the dual PSA option that you mention. Still a great sub (SB-1000) for what they are though.

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Would I be let down with getting two svs sb-1000s or svs sb-12s instead of just getting one of the larger 15 inch subs recommended svs sb-13 ultra or rhythmik f15hp? I'd rather get something nicer and not regret my purchase. I like the marketing of the rhythmic as being very musical but able to take on HT. any experience with these versus SVS.

I think the size of the PSA subs is too big for my space (living room)
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I'd also like to stay below 13 inches in size since I don't want a sub that takes over my living room. Smaller would be better.

So is this post still part of your criteria?

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No - everyone has talked me off the sub 13 inch requirement..... Thanks for asking.
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Going larger doesnt only mean louder and more output. Going from a sb 1000 to a sb ultra is significant upgrade in quality as well. You will get more accurate bass reproduction as well. If you can go with a higher end model i think its worth it.
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Would I be let down with getting two svs sb-1000s or svs sb-12s instead of just getting one of the larger 15 inch subs recommended svs sb-13 ultra or rhythmik f15hp? I'd rather get something nicer and not regret my purchase. I like the marketing of the rhythmic as being very musical but able to take on HT. any experience with these versus SVS.

I think the size of the PSA subs is too big for my space (living room)
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go with a 15" sub...psa xv15, rythmik fv15, or hsu vtf15. All three are great subs, but imo PSA customer service is second to none.
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No - everyone has talked me off the sub 13 inch requirement..... Thanks for asking.

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Going larger doesnt only mean louder and more output. Going from a sb 1000 to a sb ultra is significant upgrade in quality as well. You will get more accurate bass reproduction as well. If you can go with a higher end model i think its worth it.

+1 Most definitely, no doubt about it! The SQ of a Ultra driver is pure bliss imo. I have ran the Ultra 12 and the dual 13 ultra in the vented options, but never the sealed. I’ll post a pic of the 12-Ultra driver to give you/Bonginator a idea of what the 12 looks like. The 13-Ultra driver is even larger with better SQ and output.


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Would I be let down with getting two svs sb-1000s or svs sb-12s instead of just getting one of the larger 15 inch subs recommended svs sb-13 ultra or rhythmik f15hp? I'd rather get something nicer and not regret my purchase. I like the marketing of the rhythmic as being very musical but able to take on HT. any experience with these versus SVS.

Rythmik has a very good reputation. It’s a couple of inches larger than the SVS though. I would feel totally secure going that rout if that’s what you chose to do. It seems like they have a pretty good customer service record from what I hear. I certainly Know SVS is part of the cream of the crop when it comes to customer service just like PSA which has been mentioned. If you decide, shoot a mail their/SVS’s way and see how fast they get back to you. smile.gif

Anyway, you have some great options to decide on. The ID company's your looking at have been around a long time and put out a great product that can’t be matched by the brick and mortar options.

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Thanks everyone. I am going to mock up a box to show the rhythmic f15hp size and see if I can live with it. If not, I am probably going with the SVS 13 ultra. It is the smallest of the crop and still seems to get fantastic reviews. All of your input has been extremely valuable. Sounds like between DVS, Rhythmik, and PSA, I really can't go wrong. PSA is attractive given the history of the founders but all of their subs seem on the large size compared to the two others brands and models I have narrowed it down to.
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Thanks everyone. I am going to mock up a box to show the rhythmic f15hp size and see if I can live with it. If not, I am probably going with the SVS 13 ultra. It is the smallest of the crop and still seems to get fantastic reviews. All of your input has been extremely valuable. Sounds like between DVS, Rhythmik, and PSA, I really can't go wrong. PSA is attractive given the history of the founders but all of their subs seem on the large size compared to the two others brands and models I have narrowed it down to.
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Thanks everyone. I am going to mock up a box to show the rhythmic f15hp size and see if I can live with it. If not, I am probably going with the SVS 13 ultra. It is the smallest of the crop and still seems to get fantastic reviews. All of your input has been extremely valuable. Sounds like between DVS, Rhythmik, and PSA, I really can't go wrong. PSA is attractive given the history of the founders but all of their subs seem on the large size compared to the two others brands and models I have narrowed it down to.



the xs15 is not any larger than a f15 or sb13 ultra.

sb13ultra- 17.9 x 17.4 x 20.4 = 57.4

rythmik f15- 19 x 19 x 21.5 = 59.5

psa xs15- 17 x 19.5 x 18 = 54.5
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Look at the Hsu ULS-15 as well, it will hang with any of those with respect to output and SQ, and it has a built-in wireless connection.
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I vote Rythmik out of the subs mentioned for the original posters needs. The FV-15HP made me take note at the 2012 Gorilla83 meet.

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I Presume that's with the grill off from the pic. SB-13 Ultra


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I Presume that's with the grill off from the pic. SB-13 Ultra


yes, with the grill its a hair over 20" deep. At that point the new designed xs15 is a smaller foot print and half the price...although im sure the sb13 is a better performer in the lower bass region.
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