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I recently picked up a pair of the Paradigm Shift a2 speakers and I am pretty amazed at how loud and how good sounding they are. I've been a car audio guy since I got my first car, so naturally I'm looking for more bass. What subs would you guys recommend to go with my pair of Shifts? They each have two 50wrms amps (5.5" woofer). I'm going to be using them almost exclusively for music purposes only with my laptop through a DAC (Calyx Coffee). I'll be getting the signal to the sub via the pass-through RCAs on one of the Shifts. I want a sub that will be in the same league (price & performance) as the speakers. If it makes a difference, you should be aware that I get about 15-20% off on Paradigm and Klipsch products. I was thinking about a Paradigm Monitor Sub 8 (300rms, sealed). If you guys have any other suggestions I would be happy to hear them! This is personally MY first audio set up (but my dad has been doing this for years).

So just a couple things to remember:
- I'll be using this set up for music
- Looking for something in the same league as the speakers

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Paradigm monitor sub 8 or SVS pb1000.
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I'd go with either the SVS PB-1000 mentioned above, or the SVS SB-1000. Each sub is $499, shipped, and should easily outperform the SUB 8 in terms of extension and overall output.
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Paradigm monitor sub 8 or SVS pb1000.

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I'd go with either the SVS PB-1000 mentioned above, or the SVS SB-1000. Each sub is $499, shipped, and should easily outperform the SUB 8 in terms of extension and overall output.

My reply above was the title of a thread the OP started Feb 27th,
Got 3 pages of responses and suggestions. Heck, eljaycanuck you
Replied 8 times in that thread.

Here we go again...I guess;)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460596/paradigm-monitor-sub-8-or-svs-pb1000
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Oh. redface.gif Without a hyperlink, I wasn't aware that your reply was a reference to another thread. But thanks for pointing that out. I won't be adding anything else to this thread. smile.gif
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My reply above was the title of a thread the OP started Feb 27th,
Got 3 pages of responses and suggestions. Heck, eljaycanuck you
Replied 8 times in that thread.

Here we go again...I guess;)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460596/paradigm-monitor-sub-8-or-svs-pb1000

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Oh. redface.gif Without a hyperlink, I wasn't aware that your reply was a reference to another thread. But thanks for pointing that out. I won't be adding anything else to this thread. smile.gif

Sorry if this feels like a repeat thread, but I have a lot of new information here to consider. I no longer am thinking about doing a DIY substage either, and I found out I can get deals on certain brands. I also have a pair of speakers now that I didnt before, so I was hoping someone would be able to help me match a good sub with the speakers.
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Sorry if this feels like a repeat thread, but I have a lot of new information here to consider. I no longer am thinking about doing a DIY substage either, and I found out I can get deals on certain brands. I also have a pair of speakers now that I didnt before, so I was hoping someone would be able to help me match a good sub with the speakers.

What about something like this.. http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/prism/products/triax wink.gif

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What about something like this.. http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/prism/products/triax wink.gif

If you want to give me $2400, I'll pay for the rest haha. That would get me a few noise complaints in the dorm wink.gif
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look into the PSA XS15...very musical sub for the money.
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IMHO the Rythmik Servo sub LV12R is great for music.
Of course you have not dealt with bass mgmt issues yet.

Probably need to think about how you are going to
Relieve your speakers from playing the lower bass
Frequencies that the sub would take over playing.
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If you want to give me $2400, I'll pay for the rest haha. That would get me a few noise complaints in the dorm wink.gif

smile.gif Well I just thought it might be best to start towards at the top of the sub-chain due to that's where these threads seem to drift.

Seriously though.. what is your budget? I don’t see that you mentioned one except to deduce one from your last post. The two options just mentioned are very respectable, if that fits your budget?

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look into the PSA XS15...very musical sub for the money.
That is a little out of my price range. Looking to stay around $500
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IMHO the Rythmik Servo sub LV12R is great for music.
Of course you have not dealt with bass mgmt issues yet.

Probably need to think about how you are going to
Relieve your speakers from playing the lower bass
Frequencies that the sub would take over playing.

That Rythmik is more in my price range, but still a little too much. I called Paradigm and the guy said he doesnt know of any way to put a hpf or some type of crossover on the Shifts. Do you have any ideas? I made a thread concerning this, but it got no replies.
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smile.gif Well I just thought it might be best to start towards at the top of the sub-chain due to that's where these threads seem to drift.

Seriously though.. what is your budget? I don’t see that you mentioned one except to deduce one from your last post. The two options just mentioned are very respectable, if that fits your budget?

My budget is around $500. I just want something in the same league (quality, output, etc) as my speakers.
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That is a little out of my price range. Looking to stay around $500
That Rythmik is more in my price range, but still a little too much. I called Paradigm and the guy said he doesnt know of any way to put a hpf or some type of crossover on the Shifts. Do you have any ideas? I made a thread concerning this, but it got no replies.
My budget is around $500. I just want something in the same league (quality, output, etc) as my speakers.

I have a VTF2 MK3 for sale if you are in the phx area
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I have a VTF2 MK3 for sale if you are in the phx area

I am not. I'm in Michigan.
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I am not. I'm in Michigan.

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Does anybody know of any type of "in-line RCA high pass filter" ? Or some type of box thing that has an RCA input and has 2 or three RCA outputs? Maybe one that has built in crossovers? This is starting to sound an awful lot like a reciever now hahah. Except I dont need it to have an amp/amps in it.

I need something that 1) lets me set crossover points for 2 channels and has a subwoofer out or 2) an RCA splitter and some type of crossover for the powered speakers.

Just how unreliable are FMODS?
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Well, hindsight is 20/20. I thought from one of your older threads that you were interested in
A traditional 2.1 set-up with passive speakers etc.

If we had known that you were going to go the powered speaker route
I may have suggested the Paradigm Milenia CT powered 2.1 system
For approx what you paid for the A2's.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-HXO6uldLGfg/p_819MLNIACT/Paradigm-Millenia-CT.html
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Well, hindsight is 20/20. I thought from one of your older threads that you were interested in
A traditional 2.1 set-up with passive speakers etc.

If we had known that you were going to go the powered speaker route
I may have suggested the Paradigm Milenia CT powered 2.1 system
For approx what you paid for the A2's.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-HXO6uldLGfg/p_819MLNIACT/Paradigm-Millenia-CT.html

I didnt know I was going to end up going the powered speaker route either. I was planning on traditional. But now I just want to add a sub (later on down the road) to my little set up. But I need to figure out a good way to incorporate a HPF into the set up – one which wont interfere with the sub channel. I wouldnt have gone with the Millenia CT system anyways b/c I'm looking for more power than it has to offer. These A2s are ridiculously loud and clear and I'm happy I went with them. But I'm just planning on adding a sub sometime. Just need to figure out how haha.
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I didnt know I was going to end up going the powered speaker route either. I was planning on traditional. But now I just want to add a sub (later on down the road) to my little set up. But I need to figure out a good way to incorporate a HPF into the set up – one which wont interfere with the sub channel. I wouldnt have gone with the Millenia CT system anyways b/c I'm looking for more power than it has to offer. These A2s are ridiculously loud and clear and I'm happy I went with them. But I'm just planning on adding a sub sometime. Just need to figure out how haha.

You should read some of the reviews on just how loud the Millenia CT system gets!!
With what your looking to spend on a powered sub & HPF crossover you
Could have stepped up to the MilleniaOne CT. You got a discount on the A2's
From your friend right?



http://www.crutchfield.com/S-sRq4qnM1LBe/p_819MLNA1CT/Paradigm-MilleniaOne-CT.html
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You should read some of the reviews on just how loud the Millenia CT system gets!!
With what your looking to spend on a powered sub & HPF crossover you
Could have stepped up to the MilleniaOne CT. You got a discount on the A2's
From your friend right?



http://www.crutchfield.com/S-sRq4qnM1LBe/p_819MLNA1CT/Paradigm-MilleniaOne-CT.html

I dont want the MilleniaOne CT. You can stop linking me haha. I dont believe a system that has two speakers that do 40rms a piece could compete with one that has two speakers that do 100rms a piece. I just want to add a subwoofer to what I have. So if you could help me find a way to run one, that would be what will help me the most. I hope I'm not coming off as too big of a jerk.
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OK, i will stop messing with you. LOL But, i do have one
more "linky" for you. HP filter from HSU. If I understand it
correctly if would be set-up as follows.
Source>to input
Input>speakers
Speakers>sub

Maybe??

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/high-pass-filter.html

It"s a $100, the others i saw were $400 and up:eek:
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OK, i will stop messing with you. LOL But, i do have one
more "linky" for you. HP filter from HSU. If I understand it
correctly if would be set-up as follows.
Source>to input
Input>speakers
Speakers>sub

Maybe??

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/high-pass-filter.html

It"s a $100, the others i saw were $400 and up:eek:

Hmmm.. that looks like what I might need. In the picture it has the setting to either use "EQ1" or "EQ2" but it really means "HPF1" and "HPF2" right?

Also, you are correct in your understanding of my set up. Right now it's like this:
Laptop --> USB dac (usb input)
USB dac (RCA output) --> white RCA to left speaker, red RCA to right speaker

If you're not familiar with the Shifts, they have the following inputs/outputs on each speaker:
Inputs: 3.5mm & R/L RCA
Preamp output/pass-through: 3.5mm & R/L

So if I'm thinking of this correctly, I'll need an RCA splitter coming off of the DAC. One set of RCAs will go to the speakers after passing through the HPF, and the other set to the powered sub which will have it's own LPF.

Question then is, why is there a "Subwoofer Level" on the HSU hpf you linked me to?

EDIT: Is HSU assuming that the subwoofer I'll be using has preamp/pass-through outputs?
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I would call HSU if you have any questions!

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I would call HSU if you have any questions!

Your Welcome!
I just emailed them. Thanks for finding that. I dont understand why this type of HPF isnt easier to find. And asking $400?! You get a bunch of HPFs in a 5.1 receiver for $200 haha.
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