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I'm researching a replacement for my SVS 16-46PC+ and have tentatively narrowed my choices to these three.

Which one would you get and why?

For reference, my room has a cathedral ceiling and open to an upstairs landing. I estimate the volume at 5500^3. Action movies are usually played at -7 to-5, more sedate flicks at -3 to 0. All my speakers are calibrated to 75db using my processor's test tones and a Radio Shack SPL meter; no room correction software. My current sub placement, and my preferred spot due to room setup, is in the corner behind the left front speaker.

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Well if your budget tops out at $1500 cross the PC-13 Ultra off your list.
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I would go for the FV15HP. I don't think the XV30 will top it in performance, plus the XV30 is pretty ugly looking. The SVS PC Ultra does not top the FV15HP, and it is not exactly a looker either.
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I would probably go with the FV15HP also for the deeper extension. The XV30F will have a advantage in the mid bass region(40-63hz), but the FV15HP will have the advantage below 20hz in max extension mode. however in max output mode the xv30 would have more output at 16hz and a hair more midbass output 50-63hz, but less output everywhere else.

If you go to the data bass site just add roughly 5db across the range to the xv15. +3db for the extra power and dual 15's, plus another 1.5-2db for removing the base plate.
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Tom told me there could be PORT CHUFFING in Max Extension mode, as you only have one 3 inch port open.FWIW

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Tom told me there could be PORT CHUFFING in Max Extension mode, as you only have one 3 inch port open.FWIW
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Tom told me there could be PORT CHUFFING in Max Extension mode, as you only have one 3 inch port open.FWIW

hmm good point didnt think about that! In the end I believe both subs are worthy opponents, but after reading a few folks such as dominguez, are getting extension down to 9-10hz. I dont know if having useable output that low is really that important, but I would like to experience it. I know 14-15hz is pretty awsome but how much source content utilizes frequencies below that?
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I didn't think of that either, if Tom wasn't so helpful to me i would have gotten Dual Rythmik FV-15HP's, he also noted weird distortion behavior if over driven, but thats only if listening at super loud levels.

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I didn't think of that either, if Tom wasn't so helpful to me i would have gotten Dual Rythmik FV-15HP's, he also noted weird distortion behavior if over driven, but thats only if listening at super loud levels.

Good info! Yea Tom is very informative, helpful, and willing to go out of his way to make sure his customers are happy. Thats the main reason why he earned my business!!
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Well if your budget tops out at $1500 cross the PC-13 Ultra off your list.

With my return customer discount, the PC13U would be about $100 over budget. I'm willing to do that if it's the right sub for me (I did say it tops out at about $1500 wink.gif ).

The responses are very helpful. Keep all the great posts coming. smile.gif

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Rythmik FV15HP for sure, why, because you are used to 13hz bass with your current sub and this sub will give you just as deep extension with more spl. The spl on all of them are too similar to worry about so I would go with extension. I used to own the 16-46CS+(3 of them) and it started it all for me. I loved those cylinders.
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I used to own the 16-46CS+(3 of them) and it started it all for me. I loved those cylinders.


Yeah they were fun weren't they..

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Yeah they were fun weren't they..

Yes they were and my first speakers to get me deep bass! I would never go ported again unless it could reach 10hz and why I go sealed or LLTs tuned to 10-11hz. I want everything on the disc so I need to go sealed with low end boost.
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Would you throw dual XV-15's into the mix? The price would be $1,518.10 shipped.

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Yes they were and my first speakers to get me deep bass! I would never go ported again unless it could reach 10hz and why I go sealed or LLTs tuned to 10-11hz. I want everything on the disc so I need to go sealed with low end boost.

I hear yuh.. I honestly don’t know what I like best, both options are so good!

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Would you throw dual XV-15's into the mix? The price would be $1,518.10 shipped.

My preference is to stick with a single sub and perhaps use my existing sub with it if I want to try a multi sub setup (placement options are limited). But dual XV15's is not out of the question.

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Yes they were and my first speakers to get me deep bass! I would never go ported again unless it could reach 10hz and why I go sealed or LLTs tuned to 10-11hz. I want everything on the disc so I need to go sealed with low end boost.

What are LLTs?

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These are LLTs



You know there is one sub that I would get over these but it is huge and for sale in the Classifieds, the Danley DTS-10!
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These are LLTs



You know there is one sub that I would get over these but it is huge and for sale in the Classifieds, the Danley DTS-10!

Ha ha.. Oh great!.. SW porn! (large low tuned) Looks like I'm one behind you though.. I concede smile.gif






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^^^Holy crap! I want me one of those! biggrin.gif I take it they are DIY? I need to start working on gaining some skills......... frown.gif

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Yes DIY and one of those big ugly white tubes(not finished) had the output of at least 2 of the 16-46cs+ subs for $250 each! These were tuned about 13.5 hz and went to 10hz in room!
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Yes DIY and one of those big ugly white tubes(not finished) had the output of at least 2 of the 16-46cs+ subs for $250 each! These were tuned about 13.5 hz and went to 10hz in room!

Any idea if plans for something like that can be found online? I'm not sure what I would search for. I do have a friend who builds speakers from kits that may be willing to to the woodwork for me. wink.gif

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Any idea if plans for something like that can be found online? I'm not sure what I would search for. I do have a friend who builds speakers from kits that may be willing to to the woodwork for me. wink.gif

See if this help's you out Sat. http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch?search=llt

I think if you could find another of what you have.. you would be sitting good though.

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See if this help's you out Sat. http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch?search=llt

I think if you could find another of what you have.. you would be sitting good though.

Thanks for the link.

I've been looking for a second 16-46, but haven't had much luck. The couple I've found were too far away (local pickup only) or cost was too high with shipping (might as well get a new toy biggrin.gif ).

Aside from the increased output, are there other benefits the subs in question may provide (better sound quality, lower distortion, other?)?

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Which subs, the commercial or DIY? To me sound quality is based on response and the ability to not compress and stay clean within it's intended use. A cheap sub does not sound great because it is bandwidth limited and spl limited assuming a flat response. The sonos LLTs are the easiest builds because all you need to do is cut cirlcles for the enclosures and wire up the driver. Same for the port side. No bracing needed. There are lots of LLTs around because the 16-46CS+ is just a LT in comparison. You can get a wicked sub(huge though) for around $600 finished with tons of power on tap. Tuned to 13hz.
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Hey Sat.. You also could go with a LLT box style enclosur. Much heavier but a done deall if you know what I mean. Just PM me if I can be of any help. You will get qourds of help in the DIY section (who know far more than me) if you decide to ever explore that option.


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Which subs, the commercial or DIY? To me sound quality is based on response and the ability to not compress and stay clean within it's intended use. A cheap sub does not sound great because it is bandwidth limited and spl limited assuming a flat response. The sonos LLTs are the easiest builds because all you need to do is cut cirlcles for the enclosures and wire up the driver. Same for the port side. No bracing needed. There are lots of LLTs around because the 16-46CS+ is just a LT in comparison. You can get a wicked sub(huge though) for around $600 finished with tons of power on tap. Tuned to 13hz.

Commercial.

I know next to nothing, no, make that nothing about building a DIY sub.

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Commercial.

I know next to nothing, no, make that nothing about building a DIY sub.

You beet me to my edit of my last post, so I'll post it here.

EDIT> DIY is kind of a passion. If a guy really isn't into it, DIY will most likely be a argues affair. The three turnkey options mentioned in this thread are all very good options imo.. just saying. Anyway I like both.

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Of the choices, I'd go for the Rythmik. I'd start off with one port mode for max extension and if you notice port noise and are bothered by it, go with the two port mode. As others have mentioned, the performance between the XV30 and Rythmik are close, with the Rythimik extending deeper.

 

My recommendation though is to buy a Captivator. It's more than you wanted to spend (~500 more for passive+amp, or 1000 more for the powered version), but for that size room it will really have the most wow factor based on your listening volumes, IMO.

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Of the choices, I'd go for the Rythmik. I'd start off with one port mode for max extension and if you notice port noise and are bothered by it, go with the two port mode. As others have mentioned, the performance between the XV30 and Rythmik are close, with the Rythimik extending deeper.

My recommendation though is to buy a Captivator. It's more than you wanted to spend (~500 more for passive+amp, or 1000 more for the powered version), but for that size room it will really have the most wow factor based on your listening volumes, IMO.

have you experienced any port chuffing in 1 port extension mode?
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