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I have a max budget of $1,000 (ideally much less) to spend on a sub or two subs. From numerous reviews, I've come to the conclusion that Hsu sub's seem to have the best value for under $1,000 subs (I am open to other suggestions as well). With that being said, would I be better off getting one sub (i.e. VTF-15H) or two subs (i.e. VTF-1 MK2)? My room is approximately 19' by 11' with the screen and seating facing the 11' wide wall. I'd appreciate any help.
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Assuming an 8' ceiling, the room is 1,672 cu.ft. in volume. In that case, +1 to dual SVS PB-1000s @ $949, shipped.
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I have a max budget of $1,000 (ideally much less) to spend on a sub or two subs. From numerous reviews, I've come to the conclusion that Hsu sub's seem to have the best value for under $1,000 subs (I am open to other suggestions as well). With that being said, would I be better off getting one sub (i.e. VTF-15H) or two subs (i.e. VTF-1 MK2)? My room is approximately 19' by 11' with the screen and seating facing the 11' wide wall. I'd appreciate any help.

Getting the VTF-15H will give you deeper bass extension. Whereas getting two VTF-1.2's will give you a much smoother response in your room. So rather than having "sweet spots" for bass in your room, the two subs will even things out a lot more.

Question though, is do you plan to upgrade anytime soon? If you're not completely opposed to spending more money in the future, then I would suggest getting the single, larger/better sub for now. And ultimately adding a second on in the future when you can.

Also, there are other options besides the Hsu's mentioned. PSA has the XV15 for $800 now, and it's claimed to be a great subwoofer. Or you could go with dual SVS PB-1000's for under $1000 shipped.

Me personally, I would go with two larger subs, and not settle for the lesser subs. Getting two PB-1000's sounds like a great idea now, but you may want to upgrade at some point. Going with a single larger sub now and adding a second later, actually saves you money in the longrun.

Would you be intersested in DIY at all?

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I have vaulted ceilings in my room, which reach a height of 12', which would give my room a total volume of approximately 2,500'.

As for upgrading in the future, I just bought a new house and I am now starting to fill out my media room; so, everything is an upgrade for me right now since I do not have any home theater quality equipment.. I honestly do not see myself upgrading again until maybe 3+ years from now.

I am not an audiophile nor do I have any experience building speakers (or the tools to do so), but I would be open to a DIY if the performance to price outweighs any manufactured sub (and it is relatively simple to construct).

In general, regardless of specific subs, what is better, a single sub or dual subs?
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In general, regardless of specific subs, what is better, a single sub or dual subs?
Dual subs will provide greater overall output vs. a single sub, and smoother FR at the listening position.
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I have vaulted ceilings in my room, which reach a height of 12', which would give my room a total volume of approximately 2,500'.
Your room is still not very large, and dual PB-1000s should still work very well in it.

That said, if your budget and your plans permit it, one approach would be to spend a greater portion (but not all) of your current budget on a single better sub, and then save up the additional funds required for a second, matching sub.

In which case, you have many more options, including:
- PSA XV15 ($799, shipped)
- SVS PB12-NSD ($769, shipped)
- PSA XS15 ($749, shipped)
- Outlaw LFM-1 EX ($649 + shipping)
- SVS SB12-NSD ($649, shipped)
- Rythmik LV12R ($589 + shipping)
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The VTF15 is 1070.00 shipped....

My suggestion would be dual Rythmik LV12R's for 1074.00 shipped.
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+1 to Dual LV12R's.

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I am not an audiophile nor do I have any experience building speakers (or the tools to do so), but I would be open to a DIY if the performance to price outweighs any manufactured sub (and it is relatively simple to construct).

In general, regardless of specific subs, what is better, a single sub or dual subs?

Yes it outweighs it by plenty considering what you would wined up with for the money. One thing to remember though,.. a DIY’r never considers his or her time spent in construction. wink.gif

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I have no qualms whatsoever about the time spent on a DIY sub project other than my lack of any experience. For me to take on a DIY sub, it would need to fall in my price range with the tools needed (which is $500 per sub since it seems a dual sub layout is preferred) and be relatively easy to manufacture due to my lack of experience.

Also, I have set aside $1,000 for the remaining 7 speakers, which I understand isn't a lot, but I have to work within my constraints. With that being said, do you think that with me allocating half of my total speaker budget of $2,000 to subs is fine or should I rebalance it?
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I have no qualms whatsoever about the time spent on a DIY sub project other than my lack of any experience. For me to take on a DIY sub, it would need to fall in my price range with the tools needed (which is $500 per sub since it seems a dual sub layout is preferred) and be relatively easy to manufacture due to my lack of experience.

Also, I have set aside $1,000 for the remaining 7 speakers, which I understand isn't a lot, but I have to work within my constraints. With that being said, do you think that with me allocating half of my total speaker budget of $2,000 to subs is fine or should I rebalance it?

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Also, I have set aside $1,000 for the remaining 7 speakers, which I understand isn't a lot, but I have to work within my constraints. With that being said, do you think that with me allocating half of my total speaker budget of $2,000 to subs is fine or should I rebalance it?
Squeezing seven speakers into $1,000 may not be feasible, but I wouldn't re-work your budget on account of that. Instead, I would focus on getting the best (new or gently-used) speakers you can for your $1,000, even if that means just a pair of mains (or mains + a CC speaker) to start with. You can always save up and add surrounds later on.

That way, you'll end up with quality gear that you won't need to upgrade in "maybe 3+ years from now".
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Just out of curiosity, why the recommendations of 2 subs for what I believe is a small-medium size room?

Does it have something to do with the shape of the room?

I'm not going against anyone's recommendations, but normally 2 subs are recommended for larger rooms right?
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Just out of curiosity, why the recommendations of 2 subs for what I believe is a small-medium size room?

Does it have something to do with the shape of the room?

I'm not going against anyone's recommendations, but normally 2 subs are recommended for larger rooms right?

The room has a rectangular shape.
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Just out of curiosity, why the recommendations of 2 subs for what I believe is a small-medium size room? ... normally 2 subs are recommended for larger rooms right?
I believe the dual-sub advantages of greater overall output, increased headroom and smoother FR across the listening position apply to all sizes of rooms.
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I have no qualms whatsoever about the time spent on a DIY sub project other than my lack of any experience. For me to take on a DIY sub, it would need to fall in my price range with the tools needed (which is $500 per sub since it seems a dual sub layout is preferred) and be relatively easy to manufacture due to my lack of experience.

Also, I have set aside $1,000 for the remaining 7 speakers, which I understand isn't a lot, but I have to work within my constraints. With that being said, do you think that with me allocating half of my total speaker budget of $2,000 to subs is fine or should I rebalance it?

I'm sure others can chime in about speaker recommendations but as an admitted energy fan I'd recommend looking into the energy connoisseur line-up (especially if you would rather get new than used). These speakers came out in 2010 and are now being phased out, they are very neutral, and present a nice sound stage. They were a decent value at MSRP, and now that they are available for about half that much they are a bargain IMO. You could probably get a CC-10 centre channel and a pair of CF-50 towers for about $600. The CR-10s (BiPole/DiPole), or CB-20s & CB-10's (direct radiating) would make a decent surround section and I'm pretty sure even the most expensive CR-10s would be close to your remaining $400 budget, the CB-20s and CB-10s would be less.

Here is a review of the CF-50s:
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-loudspeakers/floorstanding-loudspeakers/energy-cf-50-floorstanding-loudspeakers-2.html
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I believe the dual-sub advantages of greater overall output, increased headroom and smoother FR across the listening position apply to all sizes of rooms.

Oh, I had heard the benefit of smoother response increased with the size of the room.
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After reviewing my budget a little further (screen is going to cost more than I anticipated), I have set my budget at $500 for the sub, with the plan to hopefully add a matching sub later on. With this being said, what is the best sub for around $500 (i.e. Rythmik, Hsu, Epik, Outlaw, SVS, Bic, etc.)?

Thank to all for the responses thus far; they have been very helpful.
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set your budget at 594.00'and get the rythmik LV12R....
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set your budget at 594.00'and get the rythmik LV12R....

At this point I am leaning towards the Rythmik.
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At this point I am leaning towards the Rythmik.
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set your budget at 594.00'and get the rythmik LV12R....

+1..+2.. I think so also.

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The room has a rectangular shape.
What are the dimensions of your room? Is it sealed (doors) or open (archways or missing walls)?

As for subwoofer, another vote for the Rythmik.

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What are the dimensions of your room? Is it sealed (doors) or open (archways or missing walls)?

As for subwoofer, another vote for the Rythmik.

I have a dedicated media room with double doors at the shorter side of the room (the 11' wall). The room is 19' x 11' with 12' ceilings. It's sealed.

I realized that discussions about the LCR speakers are better suited for the Speaker forum, which is why I have started a thread there to discuss this as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1475816/best-sound-stage-speakers-for-700
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The room is 19' x 11' with 12' ceilings. It's sealed.
In that case, placing a single sub at the midpoint of room width (11'?) should give you smoother frequency response (fewer peaks & dips). You can further smoothen that response by placing your main listening position at 1/3rd of room length.

Are the double doors on the 11' wall? If so, are they centered on that wall?

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The double doors are on the 11' wall on the left end. The screen will be on the opposite 11' wall once you walk in.
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How about one good subwoofer now...B-stock PSA or the LV12R save the roughly 300.00$ and add it to your $1k budget giving you $1300 to spend on speakers, use that to buy 3 quality LCR.

Year from now add a second subwoofer if you feel it's nessasary and your 2-4 sourround speakers.

With your room size start with one sub, go with a second once you have come to the conclusion that one is not enough, duals is easy to recommend but in your room size might be able to get away w one good 6-$800 sub.
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