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hey guys im looking for a great deal on a sub with a small footprint to pair with a

Onkyo TX-NR414 receiver

and either

4 klipsch RB41 II's and 1 RC41 II center ($500)

or

4 PSB B4's and 1 C4 center ($625 + shipping)

size of the room is about 27ft x 15ft (its actually 1 large space broken up into 2 rooms, so only half the space will be used as my theater room)

found a klipsch sw-308 new in box for $400

velodyne has a lot of deal on their refurbished subs
http://velodyne.com/special-offers.html
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I would say the SVS PB-1000. The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is another good choice but it's $549.

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You need to pair your subwoofer with your room, not your speaker choice. Lots of people will give you great advice if you provide room dimensions. It's probably going to be a Kilpsch, if recent advice is still valid smile.gif

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nethawk. i dont really know much about any of this stuff anymore. but the size of the room is about size of the room is about 27ft x 15ft
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I would say the SVS PB-1000. The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus is another good choice but it's $549.

+1 Both are very good.

The next sweet spot for subs is the $650 range.
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That's a big space. You might be looking at two subs, but the experts will undoubtedly chime in with better assistance.

The Klipsch RW-12d will probably be brought up, currently at $279 from Newegg.

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That's a big space. You might be looking at two subs, but the experts will undoubtedly chime in with better assistance.

The Klipsch RW-12d will probably be brought up, currently at $279 from Newegg.

Yes! Two of the Klipsch RW-12d's will be your best bet as they rarely go on sale at $279 on Newegg. $560 for two good subs his hard to beat IMO.

If you must stick with one sub, the SVS PB1000 will dig a bit deeper with movies and should sound a little cleaner with music but will not have the overall output and room coverage of two RW12-d's
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the space is about 27ft 15 ft. i only want to use 1 sub and id like one with a small footprint. i was looking at the svs sb-1000 or that klipsch sw-308 for $400 but i dont want a 8" sub, i dont think.
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Rythmik LV12R is the best sub in the 500.00 range. Read JimWilsons review on it over at hometheatreshack.com
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An sb-1000 or sw-308 would be kinda weak for a space like that...

A relatively cost effective option would be a diy kit of sorts:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=302-830
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-803
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=295-190

That may or may not suit your needs.
If you have any interest in an assemble it yourself build i could run the numbers for you to get an idea of the frequency response.
The only issue you might run into with the above is that it is a small box for a 15" sub which means there may or may not be a driver that would do well in that size of a box.

Otherwise you would want at least 2 small footprint subs in the price range.
The sw-308 doesn't have the power of the rw-12d and while it might cut relatively deep thanks to the passive radiators, you shouldn't expect the same performance/efficiency from a smaller box.
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Rythmik LV12R is the best sub in the 500.00 range. Read JimWilsons review on it over at hometheatreshack.com

Don't go with a 8" or a 10". +1 to what basshead recomends imo. OH.. DON'T GO WITH A CRAPY 12" EITHER! smile.gif

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the space is about 27ft 15 ft. i only want to use 1 sub and id like one with a small footprint. i was looking at the svs sb-1000 or that klipsch sw-308 for $400 but i dont want a 8" sub, i dont think.

If you want a small footprint and the ability to sound good in a space that large, expect to pay quite a bit more than $500

For a single sub, the PB1000 (at $500) or Rythmik LV-12 R (not much above your budget) placed near field will be your best bet. You also have the Outlaw LFM-plus which is down firing with a plexiglass top. It can double as an end table if you wish
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If you want a small footprint and the ability to sound good in a space that large, expect to pay quite a bit more than $500

For a single sub, the PB1000 (at $500) or Rythmik LV-12 R (not much above your budget) placed near field will be your best bet. You also have the Outlaw LFM-plus which is down firing with a plexiglass top. It can double as an end table if you wish

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i know the space seems large but its actually 2 rooms but its just 1 large open space. so only half of the 27 x15 is used as my theater room. no im def not building my own sub, thanks anyways.
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Which is larger a 2000 cu ft room or a 2000 cu ft labyrinth? wink.gif
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steve- you like the Rythmik LV-12 R better then the svs sb-1000?
they have a b-stock Rythmik LV-12 R for $529

what about the klipsch sw308 for $400 i mean thats like a 7 or $800 sub
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The sw-308 doesn't have the power of the rw-12d and while it might cut relatively deep thanks to the passive radiators, you shouldn't expect the same performance/efficiency from a smaller box.
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i know the space seems large but its actually 2 rooms but its just 1 large open space. so only half of the 27 x15 is used as my theater room. no im def not building my own sub, thanks anyways.

Doesn't matter if the ht room is only half the area. Unless you build a wall to separate the two rooms, the sub still have to cope with a 27x15 area.

The small Klipsch sub will get swallowed up in a room that large. The RW-12d will perform better while the PB1000, Outlaw and Rythmik will be yet another step up in sound quality
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how about a epik legend for $500 are they any good??
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how about a epik legend for $500 are they any good??

Haha seriously? Go take a look at a couple of the Epik threads that are going, if you're willing to take the risk just know what you'd be in store for. And if one fails good lucky getting a replacement.
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The subs mentioned in this thread are your best bet
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hey guys im looking for a great deal on a sub with a small footprint to pair with a

Onkyo TX-NR414 receiver

and either

4 klipsch RB41 II's and 1 RC41 II center ($500)

or

4 PSB B4's and 1 C4 center ($625 + shipping)

size of the room is about 27ft x 15ft (its actually 1 large space broken up into 2 rooms, so only half the space will be used as my theater room)

found a klipsch sw-308 new in box for $400

velodyne has a lot of deal on their refurbished subs
http://velodyne.com/special-offers.html


I'm under the impression that you can make some kind of objective ranking of a fair number of subwoofers by looking at the results of CEDIA subwoofer tests.
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think im gonna go with the klipsch rb41 II's & get the rythmik LV12R (b-stock, for $500)

any other suggestions before i pull the trigger??

i would prefer a sub thats not so big.
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2 of these could be worth looking into:
http://velodyne.com/special-offers/certified-refurbished/vdr-12-subwoofer-refurbished.html

A comparably specced hsu is 100$ more expensive: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

I'm not sure how much better the Velo is than other subs in the price range and size (if it is any better), like the Nxg-bas-500.
Also The Klipsch rw-12d is only a bit more so were running in circles biggrin.gif

Basically you have few options for a reasonably priced compact sub for a big space. Anything sealed won't benefit from the room gain of a smaller room that serves to boost low frequencies and smooth out response, and most smaller cheaper ported subs won't have the output for that room.

There are a few sub companies out there that go for high spl over extension giving high spl's at around the 35-40hz area but even they aren't all that compact, only relatively affordable.
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Which is larger a 2000 cu ft room or a 2000 cu ft labyrinth? wink.gif

Which one is filled with feathers? wink.gif
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i would prefer a sub thats not so big.

Just saying when I post: there's only so much a consumer can do about size and then they end up hurting themselves as to what they want; deep, powerful bass.

Pick two.

Price.

Size.

Quality.

In the spirit of your comment, the LV12R isn't a large box but if one has to go smaller, now they're into the complications smaller sealed boxes bring to the conversation such as the SVS, SB-1000 or the more capable, but more expensive, SVS, SB12-NSD. Personally, I'm a big fan of sealed body subwoofers but I'm also a fan of three or four subwoofers in a room.

I've found, that no matter what door to subwooferland one opens, there's always going be a little clown on the other side, holding a sign: "You Lose!" Because now you get into issues surrounding the thought of: gee, I wish I purchased 15" drivers instead of 12" drivers (I could have put them here) as now those 15" drivers are looking like a really sweet deal. And those who are familiar with 15" drivers are wishing they had a full set of 18" drivers and those with a set of 18" drivers are looking to DIY.

Well, that aside, now that you've dialed your single, compact 12" subwoofer system in one comes to find that due to familiarity, the little, itty-bitty 12" subwoofer system is leaving them wanting more and then buyer's remorse sets in as they start looking at and chastising themselves for getting such a small subwoofer when for a few dollars more, they could have had.......

Just saying.

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Which is larger a 2000 cu ft room or a 2000 cu ft labyrinth? wink.gif

Which one is filled with feathers? wink.gif

The labyrinth is probably more likely to be easier to coax smooth response out of.
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