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Old 09-07-2013, 12:49 PM
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I can't imagine that will make any difference. HSU has been designing and updating subs for a long time. Unless you are worried about them going out of business, I have no doubt that there will be some future iteration of a sub from them which improves on the VTF-15H.

However, for you, don't see why that should matter. Who "upgrades" to just a newer iteration of the same sub? confused.gif



Let me just say this then. I own two of the subs and would like to see them do well. Getting those numbers listed would probably go a long way towards that.

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I own the sub and love it mine is more of a curiosity of how it compares to what he has already tested.
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That's what I would like to see how this sub compares to others also.

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Curiosity is forbidden. As such I won't express my curiosity either, not about the results, nor how they may inform trying different setups/settings in my ro to see how they behave.

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Whew...

Done!
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Whew...

Done!

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EDIT: I cleared my cache of databass and sure enough, you aren't a tease, because there sat the review link. Silly me.

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Awesome subwoofer.

This one rung above the XV15, the way I understand the measurements. Is a subwoofer that gives you the ability to vary the tuning point. I to liked the results.

Ricci thank you very much for the work and great job.
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Good job, Ricci. I enjoyed reading the system overview and notes for each mode.
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Good job, Ricci. I enjoyed reading the system overview and notes for each mode.

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Outstanding review (as always) and breakdown of each mode.

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Thanks so much Ricci. As always, very nice write up/mearsurements. Now one can have one central data bass to compare numbers.
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Really nice evaluation! I currently own one and have enjoyed it. I am going to be selling it since I have been bitten by the DIY bug. Going for quad sealed SI18s, i think. Still mulling over sealed vs. ported. If I go ported it would be duals to help smooth in room response, but I am leaning sealed as of now.

Forgot to thank,all involved with this test, especially Ricci, but also those that contributed the cash.

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I am not big on numbers its all about value, but from the numbers XV15 is a better value right?
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Really nice evaluation! I currently own one and have enjoyed it. I am going to be selling it since I have been bitten by the DIY bug. Going for quad sealed SI18s, i think. Still mulling over sealed vs. ported. If I go ported it would be duals to help smooth in room response, but I am leaning sealed as of now.

Forgot to thank,all involved with this test, especially Ricci, but also those that contributed the cash.

I am contemplating quad SIs sealed as well. Would be around the same price as one VTF-15 (shipped) and a heck of a lot more performance and value.
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I am not big on numbers its all about value, but from the numbers XV15 is a better value right?

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I am not big on numbers its all about value, but from the numbers XV15 is a better value right?
It depends. Some folks (me included)don't mind paying extra for more dbs and extension. There is a reason the VTF15H costs more plus its variable tuning options.
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Finally, we have the numbers out there. Thanks Ricci.

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It depends. Some folks (me included)don't mind paying extra for more dbs and extension. There is a reason the VTF15H costs more plus its variable tuning options.

I hate to keep bringing this up but Ricci himself has agreed on this point, but if you add roughly 1dB to the measurements of the XV15 because of the testing mic/woofer orientation the numbers between the two subs is a lot closer. IMO making the XV15 a much better deal, unless you really want that variable turning. Which I think most people don't, they probably want a set it and forget it sub.
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looking at the chart it seems to hold its own and i was a little surprised at the 12.5 Hz output.
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I hate to keep bringing this up but Ricci himself has agreed on this point, but if you add roughly 1dB to the measurements of the XV15 because of the testing mic/woofer orientation the numbers between the two subs is a lot closer. IMO making the XV15 a much better deal, unless you really want that variable turning. Which I think most people don't, they probably want a set it and forget it sub.
I think the extra cost also factor in the better finish of the HSU plus I think it looks better than the XV15. I am just glad that there are more choices for us with different budget. I do agree that the XV15 is a beast for what it costs.
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I think the extra cost also factor in the better finish of the HSU plus I think it looks better than the XV15. I am just glad that there are more choices for us with different budget. I do agree that the XV15 is a beast for what it costs.


Don't forget the better warranty coverage of VX15 (5 years compare to 2).

Anyway I will finish my basement theater next month so still debating in my head but the front runner XV15.
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Don't forget the better warranty coverage of VX15 (5 years compare to 2).

Anyway I will finish my basement theater next month so still debating in my head but the front runner XV15.
The Hsu VTF-15H warranty is 2 years electronics and 7 years on the woofer and every other part of the sub, so the 15H actually has the longer warranty.

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I think the extra cost also factor in the better finish of the HSU plus I think it looks better than the XV15. I am just glad that there are more choices for us with different budget. I do agree that the XV15 is a beast for what it costs.

True but the XV15 also comes in some great veneer options and would still cost you $70 less with one of those options. And like others has pointed out has a better warranty.
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The Hsu VTF-15H warranty is 2 years electronics and 7 years on the woofer and every other part of the sub, so the 15H actually has the longer warranty.

what's more likely to fail, an amp or the driver?
I'd take the extra 3 year warranty over the extra 2 years on the driver any day of the week.
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what's more likely to fail, an amp or the driver?
I'd take the extra 3 year warranty over the extra 2 years on the driver any day of the week.
That's your choice, but he still incorrectly listed the Hsu warranty. And it's not just the driver it's the entire sub for 7 years excluding the amp which is 2 years. Also Dr. Hsu has been known to replace a blown amps out of warranty with a phone call.

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I am not big on numbers its all about value, but from the numbers XV15 is a better value right?

In the bang-for-the-buck category I would say yes. That's pretty much been the case since PSA released their first sub, so it's nothing particularly new. Comparing both to the FV15HP though makes me like the Rythmik even more that I did before.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised at the driver HSU is using. Not exactly what I had expected in a sub that costs $1000.
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That's your choice, but you sill incorrectly listed the Hsu warranty.


I said its a "better" warranty. I'm sure many would agree that having a longer warranty on the amp of a sub would make it a "better" warranty.
I fail to see where I said the XV15 has a longer warranty.
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The Hsu VTF-15H warranty is 2 years electronics and 7 years on the woofer and every other part of the sub, so the 15H actually has the longer warranty.

The electronics is the most common failure point and cost more then any other part of the sub. A 5yr bumper to bumper warranty is much better then a 2/7 amp/driver warranty. You been around here for 12yrs, how many driver failures have you seen compared to amplifier?
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True but the XV15 also comes in some great veneer options and would still cost you $70 less with one of those options. And like others has pointed out has a better warranty.

Bing!
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I am extremely happy to see that data-bass.com has another commonly recommended sub in its measurements. I think it's great that this happened and another big thank you to Josh for measuring the sub and not asking for any money to do so.
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I would say that Legairre is most likely just trying to defend the VTF-15H because he owns one, so I totally get where he's coming from. And in all fairness the VTF-15H does have better output numbers, so it is fair to call it a better sub. But it only out paces a XV15 by about 1dB threw most of the frequency ranges. So in the end it's up to the potential buyer if that extra little bit is worth the price difference.
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