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Moving into new home and going with either Mythos 6 and 7 fronts or Paradigm Cinema 400s, budget is tight.
For sub I could do something around $500-600 but not sure where to even start.
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Two solid options that fall within your budget range are:
- the SVS PB-1000 ($499, shipped); and
- the Rythmik LV12R ($589, shipped).
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Another option is the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus @$549
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Oops, I forgot that one! +1. smile.gif
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However the shipping on the shipping for the Plus is $71 which takes the price to $620. Still a great sub as I have 2 of them, got mine for $499 each with free shipping.

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... the shipping on the shipping for the Plus is $71 which takes the price to $620. ... got mine for $499 each with free shipping.
The moral of the story: Wait for a sale and the price will fall to within the budget range. smile.gif
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If you are in CA, you will have to pay taxes for the Outlaw, which makes it $720...for $80 dollars more you can buy the PSA-XV15 for $800 shipped. Rythmik didn't charge taxes or shipping, and the price was $589, which is probably the best sub you can buy for under $600 dollars.

I wanted to order the PSA-XV30F, but my fiancee and I decided to get married in Sept. so that wasn't an option. I already had a RW-12D, which I bought for $321 shipped from newegg.com. So, far I've been pretty happy with it, but I wanted a little more bass. My wife said, to buy a 2nd RW-12D and see if I like it. I did, and the bass is much much better pronounce and leveled out through the room.

At the end of the year, we are hoping to buy a house, and I am hoping to save enough to buy a pair of PSA-XV15's or DIY 18"....biggrin.gif

For $600 you can do a really nice and powerful DIY 15" or 18" sub.

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Im in Ontario,Canada.
When I get back from work I'll read about the subs you guys recommended, thx.
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IMO, that tips the scale in favour of the PB-1000, which is available in Canada through SVS' Canadian distributor, SonicBoomAudio (for $499 + shipping + HST).
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Oh wow, these subs are huge smile.gif
Such a huge box and only a entry level, I feel like these would make my neighbors 4 units away know when I'm watching TV smile.gif
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None of those subs is really all that big - give any one of them a couple of weeks in your HT and you'll wonder why you ever bought such a small sub! wink.gif

Anyway, once you integrate a sub into your system and then calibrate your system, your neighbours will only know about it when you crank things up LOUD...and, even then, you can always dial the level of the sub down (through your AVR's speaker set-up menu) to something more respectable if you have to. smile.gif
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Oh wow, these subs are huge smile.gif
Such a huge box and only a entry level, I feel like these would make my neighbors 4 units away know when I'm watching TV smile.gif

I wouldn't consider any of these subs to be entry level. I would say the are the low end of "good" subs. Any sub that can hit 20hz or lower with authority isn't entry level... Entry level would be like a Klipsch Sub 350 or a Polk PSW 10. Then you step up into the "good" budget subs such as Klipsch RW12d, Polk PSW 505, BIC F12, Acoustech PL-200, NXG Tech NX-BAS-500 etc. Then you step up into the low end "good" subs Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus, Hsu VTF2-MK4, SVS PB/SB1000, Rythmik LV12R, etc,

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Thanks, I'm leaning towards Rythmik LV12R
From the reviews on this board looks like I should be happy with it.
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Thanks, I'm leaning towards Rythmik LV12R
From the reviews on this board looks like I should be happy with it.

Good choice!
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Also look into a B Stock
SB-12 NSD sealed 14" cube, I run single in my 15x20 bedroom, gain set to 12 and keeps me smiling every time i listen to music or watch movies. I run a dual set up in my living room of this same subwoofer

Also B stock Outlaw LFM-EX is right at your budget, for movies and if you can get one at the b stock price this would be my choice for movies, Call outlaw you might be able to get an EX within your budget or close to it shipped wink.gif

The LV12R is also a very good subwfooer far for entry level

Some good options, if you need smaller size the SB-12 NSD is will blend in with any room , want more output outlaw or LV12

Have fun and let us know what route you take
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All the subs mentioned ate excellent, but the Rythmik gets my vote.
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All the subs mentioned ate excellent, but the Rythmik gets my vote.

I just sent an inquiry Rythmik to see what the bottom line is. Right now SVS PB1000 is my choice because of its Canadian distributor. All I have to pay is HST +30$ shipping on top of the $499. price tag. I have a feeling that the Rythmik will caust be an additional 250$ on top of their price because of shipping, hst, and duty. I'm waiting for their response now.
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I just received a reply.

The LV12R includes the shipping cost to US, but for Canada we add $60 to the total price. Also duty is$80. So the total cost shipped to Canada and duty is $729.

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For that much money I could step up to the SVS PB12-NSD ... sucks living in Canada sometimes.
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I just received a reply.

The LV12R includes the shipping cost to US, but for Canada we add $60 to the total price. Also duty is$80. So the total cost shipped to Canada and duty is $729.

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For that much money I could step up to the SVS PB12-NSD ... sucks living in Canada sometimes.

For that price, I would go PSA-XV15, but then again your Canandian fee will make that go up even more.

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Another option is Chase Home Theater. There SS 18.1 is relatively small and will pound the PSA XV 15 out the park for less money. You will need an amp that can be used if you add another sub in the future. These subs have output similar to the SVS pb ultra and 15 in. Rythmik.

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I just received a reply.

The LV12R includes the shipping cost to US, but for Canada we add $60 to the total price. Also duty is$80. So the total cost shipped to Canada and duty is $729.

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For that much money I could step up to the SVS PB12-NSD ... sucks living in Canada sometimes.

Ha! Try shipping to Hawaii. $300-400 or more for any of the ID 12" subs. eek.gif

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Ha! Try shipping to Hawaii. $300-400 or more for any of the ID 12" subs. eek.gif

I understand but it doesn't helpmy problem either. *LOL*
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Another option is Chase Home Theater. There SS 18.1 is relatively small and will pound the PSA XV 15 out the park for less money. You will need an amp that can be used if you add another sub in the future. These subs have output similar to the SVS pb ultra and 15 in. Rythmik.

How is it less money? Its 890.00 delivered and 1240.00 with daytom 1k amp...please save the silly comments for amazon reviews.

And LOL @ relatively small...40" x 22" x 22".
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40" x 22" x 22".
The SS-18.1 is 23" x 21" x 21".
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The SS-18.1 is 23" x 21" x 21".

and its still 995.00 with a amp....
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For that kind of money you can build 2 18's using the flat packs and a pro amp!

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exactly....i just spoke with craig @ chase home theatre. he said to go to data-bass and refer to the vs18.1(sub 1) and subtract 6db @ 20hz and 3db @31hz...mid bass will be similar. so in that case the xv15 has more 20hz output, slightly less at 30hz, and the same mid bass essentially. dont forget to add 1.5db across the board to xv15's numbers because of mic placement. oh and the sub 1 amb is 600.00 which chase recomends, so that makes the ss18.1 1195.00. so no its not pounding anything out of the park for less $ derrick!
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exactly....i just spoke with craig @ chase home theatre. he said to go to data-bass and refer to the vs18.1(sub 1) and subtract 6db @ 20hz and 3db @31hz...mid bass will be similar. so in that case the xv15 has more 20hz output, slightly less at 30hz, and the same mid bass essentially. dont forget to add 1.5db across the board to xv15's numbers because of mic placement. oh and the sub 1 amb is 600.00 which chase recomends, so that makes the ss18.1 1195.00. so no its not pounding anything out of the park for less $ derrick!

The benefit of the SS 18.1 is that you can always upgrade the amp to the MQ 600 and get another 10 db across the frequency band. Sorry basshead, The OP question was on a sub price. The price of the SS 18.1 is less without the amp. The results that basshead is talking about is with a sub 1 or Dayton amp. The MQ 600 or the Crown xls 2500 will add another 10 db across the frequency band. I am just saying that a passive sub has more options and can easily be upgraded or additional subs added and ran off the same amp at a lower cost. If you want something stronger than a plate amp sub, you have to buy another sub. Don't take my comments so personal, there are other players in the sub market beside PSA I have dual SS 18.1 Chase subs on a Crown XLS 2500 and would be hard pressed to find better performance with any other 2 subs for it's price point. When it come to subs, it is all about moving air. I have a 6500+ cubic square feet room that is pressurized with 2 SS 18.1 subs.

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The benefit of the SS 18.1 is that you can always upgrade the amp to the MQ 600 and get another 10 db across the frequency band. Sorry basshead, The OP question was on a sub price. The price of the SS 18.1 is less without the amp. The results that basshead is talking about is with a sub 1 or Dayton amp. The MQ 600 or the Crown xls 2500 will add another 10 db across the frequency band. I am just saying that a passive sub has more options and can easily be upgraded or additional subs added and ran off the same amp at a lower cost. If you want something stronger than a plate amp sub, you have to buy another sub. Don't take my comments so personal, there are other players in the sub market beside PSA I have dual SS 18.1 Chase subs on a Crown XLS 2500 and would be hard pressed to find better performance with any other 2 subs for it's price point. When it come to subs, it is all about moving air. I have a 6500+ cubic square feet room that is pressurized with 2 SS 18.1 subs.

you have to factor in the amp with price of the sub, it wont power itself...the chase is not cheaper than a xv15 even if you bought a crown xls2500. a pair of xv15's is 1518.10, a pair of ss18's is 1170.00 plus 600 for the amp.Fwiw I know there is other subs beside psa, i dont pimp psa, but i dont like misinformation either.


I also would like to see proof of this 10db gain across the board going from a sub 1 amp to a crown. Craig @ Chase said the other data-bass measurement on the vs18(passive) is with a high output crown pro amp. From what I see there is no 10db gain until 100hz, from 20-80hz its a 4db gain and thats not across the board.
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The LV12R includes the shipping cost to US, but for Canada we add $60 to the total price. Also duty is$80. So the total cost shipped to Canada and duty is $729.

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If my calculations are right, this is not Duty they're charging but tax, seems that it's 13% HST which you would have to pay anyway, so only additional $60 for shipping, which is not bad.
What I have to ask if it's duty or tax, and if it's USPS or UPS shipping.
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