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i have been researching and reading a lot about Subs. I need to buy a Sub for myself , budget is around $250-$300 , I know this pretty low but this is first time I am trying to buy a subwoofer.

I have Yamaha Rx V671 , Fronts are Polk Monitor 60 , Center is CS20 and surrounds are Fxi3.
Moving to a new house so need to get a Sub. Look, shape , size etc do not matter , will be using it for movies 70% and music 30%. Want what I can get best in around my budget?

So far I have come down to - Klipsch Rw 12D (when on sale) , Bic F 12 and Polk 505 . But then was checking on Craiglist and saw this http://raleigh.craigslist.org/ele/3881883014.html , is it good deal too?
Is buying a used Sub good idea?

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Dont rule out the JBL es250...700watt 12" for 199.00. I just ordered one for one of my touch tune juke box locations. I will let ya know how it sounds if can hold off for a week. However the rw12 is the most sought after 300.00 sub on this forum.
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I am not in any hurry because I am moving to new place at end of July. Looking forward to your experience.
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I would go with the Klipsch RW12-D. For $300 you won't do better. The JBL es250 is actually a 400w sub, but that really doesn't mean much of anything. The RW12-D will most likely play louder, deeper, and cleaner.

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For a starter subwoofer system, a pair of Dayton Audio, SUB-1200's would be an excellent start.

When on sale, the Klipsch, RW-12d is also good buy.

A suggestion would be to check out the "List of budget subwoofers ($300 and less)," thread.
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I would go with the Klipsch RW12-D. For $300 you won't do better. The JBL es250 is actually a 400w sub, but that really doesn't mean much of anything. The RW12-D will most likely play louder, deeper, and cleaner.

No its actually a 700watt sub dynamic and I agree power does not mean everything. That being said for 199.00 it might be a good one, I plan on updating the thread after it comes in and I can test it. I agree the RW12 is probably a better buy as already mentioned. However I am not spending 300+ on a sub that will be neglected by drunks. Thats why I always use budget subs for my jukeboxes...
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No its actually a 700watt sub dynamic and I agree power does not mean everything. That being said for 199.00 it might be a good one, I plan on updating the thread after it comes in and I can test it. I agree the RW12 is probably a better buy as already mentioned. However I am not spending 300+ on a sub that will be neglected by drunks. Thats why I always use budget subs for my jukeboxes...

I'm sure it is a good sub for $200. Probably a better buy than the Bic F12 and Polk 505. But it is a 400watt RMS sub. 700 watts peak is simply a marketing ploy.

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The Jbl es250pbk has issues with amp failure. Just check out the amazon reviews for it and compare that to the Rw-12d's reviews.
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The Jbl es250pbk has issues with amp failure. Just check out the amazon reviews for it and compare that to the Rw-12d's reviews.

I have read the reviews, its not nearly as big of issue as made out to be...this not my first rodeo. where did i recomend it being better than the rw12? If you read my initial post i said the rw12 is the most sought after 300.00 sub on this forum. However I didnt buy it because I am not spending 300.00 plus on a sub thats going to be sitting on the floor of a bar/club night in and out. 100-200 subs work fine for that.
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I have read the reviews, its not nearly as big of issue as made out to be...this not my first rodeo. where did i recomend it being better than the rw12? If you read my initial post i said the rw12 is the most sought after 300.00 sub on this forum. However I didnt buy it because I am not spending 300.00 plus on a sub thats going to be sitting on the floor of a bar/club night in and out. 100-200 subs work fine for that.

I don't think he was directing his comment towards you, but rather the OP in case he were to want to compare both. The JBL seems to have an issue with the amps failing a bit early, but it doesn't seem to be too common. Not everyone who is happy with a product feels the need to write a review for it, but nearly everyone who has major issues with something is more than willing to let others know.

Have you every looked into the Dayon 1200's that Beeman mentioned? I've read great things about those subs, and at only $120 or so I'm sure they'd do great for your uses. I'm intersted in seeing more reviews on these things.

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I don't think he was directing his comment towards you, but rather the OP in case he were to want to compare both. The JBL seems to have an issue with the amps failing a bit early, but it doesn't seem to be too common. Not everyone who is happy with a product feels the need to write a review for it, but nearly everyone who has major issues with something is more than willing to let others know.

Have you every looked into the Dayon 1200's that Beeman mentioned? I've read great things about those subs, and at only $120 or so I'm sure they'd do great for your uses. I'm intersted in seeing more reviews on these things.

I am actually thinking about trying a dayton when I the next install comes around. The budget sub market is huge these days, I figured I would try an array of different models, just to see whats what.
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I am not spending 300.00 plus on a sub thats going to be sitting on the floor of a bar/club night in and out. 100-200 subs work fine for that.


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I would go with the Klipsch RW12-D. For $300 you won't do better. The JBL es250 is actually a 400w sub, but that really doesn't mean much of anything. The RW12-D will most likely play louder, deeper, and cleaner.

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For a starter subwoofer system, a pair of Dayton Audio, SUB-1200's would be an excellent start.

When on sale, the Klipsch, RW-12d is also good buy.

A suggestion would be to check out the "List of budget subwoofers ($300 and less)," thread.

So Klipsch is the popular choice. And mostly I am also just waiting for them to go on another sale. About Dayton sub suggestion , how would it compare to Klipsch in my living room for HT use? Also as I have never owned a sub so I dun know much about settings , although I am trying to read a lot of posts on subs and trying to get an idea , how they work and what they mean. But still would love to have some suggestions , tips concerning Klipsch`s settings.

I check that thread for budget subwoofers , but would not know which one is better than the other , thats why opened this thread so I can learn a little more.
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You better not let Tom hear you say that. rolleyes.giftongue.gifbiggrin.gif Ha Ha.. you know I'm playing.

the xv15's reside in my living room, not a bar...there is no way im dropping a xv15 in one of my locations. I gurantee somebody would steal it.
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In general, they're all good. The RW-12d is the Top Dog of the price point with the BIC, PL-200 a close second.

The SUB-1200 receives excellent reviews and by putting two or three in a room gives one room gain and helps with smoothing out the subwoofer's response to a room's acoustics.

For sales purposes, with the possibility of the RW-12d becoming extinct, the Top Dog replacement may turn out to be the NXG NX-BAS-500 Subwoofer.

There are many fine choices one can make so beyond that of the RW-12d, it's hard to say with certainty which is the best subwoofer. At the next price point level, one can look to the Rythmik, LV12R. The better quality of subwoofer one can get, the bigger the smile factor.

In the simple, you'll eventually need to make that leap of faith. This is something we all have had to do and no matter, a BIC, PL-200, a Klipsch, RW-12d or a NXG-BAS-500, you're going be happy......well, up to your continued hanging around here, reading up on the possibilities.

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To echo everyone else's comments in your price range its almost a no brainer with the rw-12d, BIC PL200 being a close 2nd @ 270$ shipped
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To echo everyone else's comments in your price range its almost a no brainer with the rw-12d, BIC PL200 being a close 2nd @ 270$ shipped

Amazon has it for more at this time , did u see it for less somewhere else?


Also guys as I wuld be buying online , so what is that should be most important spec when looking at Subs?
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I have read the reviews, its not nearly as big of issue as made out to be...this not my first rodeo. where did i recomend it being better than the rw12? If you read my initial post i said the rw12 is the most sought after 300.00 sub on this forum. However I didnt buy it because I am not spending 300.00 plus on a sub thats going to be sitting on the floor of a bar/club night in and out. 100-200 subs work fine for that.

I'm not a betting man I guess wink.gif
There are other budget subs or pairs of budget subs that would do as well for the price.
But it was directed to the op because no-one had mentioned the amp failures at the time.

The Pl-200 can be bought here with the make an offer option: http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?PID=1555

280$ is the suggested offer but I suppose you could try to get it lower...
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so what is that should be most important spec when looking at Subs?

Pretty much, in a nutshell, the WAF.

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In general, they're all good. The RW-12d is the Top Dog of the price point with the BIC, PL-200 a close second.

The SUB-1200 receives excellent reviews and by putting two or three in a room gives one room gain and helps with smoothing out the subwoofer's response to a room's acoustics.

For sales purposes, with the possibility of the RW-12d becoming extinct, the Top Dog replacement may turn out to be the NXG NX-BAS-500 Subwoofer.

There are many fine choices one can make so beyond that of the RW-12d, it's hard to say with certainty which is the best subwoofer. At the next price point level, one can look to the Rythmik, LV12R. The better quality of subwoofer one can get, the bigger the smile factor.

In the simple, you'll eventually need to make that leap of faith. This is something we all have had to do and no matter, a BIC, PL-200, a Klipsch, RW-12d or a NXG-BAS-500, you're going be happy......well, up to your continued hanging around here, reading up on the possibilities.

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Pretty much, in a nutshell, the WAF.

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Guess that means Watt and Frequency?



Now I am reading stuff on Subs and some I get and some I have only slight idea. First is Crossovers. I understand so far that one sets up in their AVR one number for crossover , meaning under that nr all frequencies would be sent to Sub to reproduce them , right? Usually it is set around 100?
Second is there is a Crossover set at sub level too?

If someone can guide me to a link where I can read all these basic things , to get better idea , please? Or if someone can explain these to me here.
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Pretty much, in a nutshell, the WAF.

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you mean wife acceptance factor? that is not a concern as far as looks,size etc r concerned but only price frown.gif
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you mean wife acceptance factor? that is not a concern as far as looks,size etc r concerned but only price frown.gif

If WAF is not a concern, then your needs become the most important specification. The point, your question is a trick question and cannot be accurately answered as there are too many variables to choose from.

You have to tell us what the most important specification are to you and then rational people can go from there as to helping provide an answer.

Budget.

Room size.

Expectations.

Et Cetera.
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If WAF is not a concern, then your needs become the most important specification. The point, your question is a trick question and cannot be accurately answered as there are too many variables to choose from.

You have to tell us what the most important specification are to you and then rational people can go from there as to helping provide an answer.

Budget.

Room size.

Expectations.

Et Cetera.


My biggest limiting factor at this time is Budget which has to be between $250-$300 , I dun think I would be able to go above $300 at this time.

As in OP I posted my Floor plan of the house. Living room is 16 x 18-4 x 9 open to foyer on one side and extends into a open Kitchen. So it would be deemed big i guess.

Expectation is well to have a Sub that does well for Movies as I watch a lot of Movies so far I am lacking the bass effects at home. Music I don`t listen to that much of it but I do listen to music daily and not on very high volume so I want a sub which is subtle for Music but it does well when its needed. Also when it comes to Music , I like it be deep bass which sounds rich and not very shallow and loud.
So biggest priority is to feel Bass effects of Movies although I don`t think I watch movies at very high volume either but I do like to be able to do so once in a while.


Also please can you tell me more about cross over settings etc. How they are supposed to be? I am reading on NXG sub and so far very good review and will have to see if some one did a comparison of it with Klipsch RW 12 D.
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I am reading on NXG sub and so far very good review and will have to see if some one did a comparison of it with Klipsch RW 12 D.

The jury is not out on this issue as the RW-12d is the Top Dog of this price point. The current competition is, which will take the RW-12d's place. Will it be the NXG's, NX-BAS-500, or will it be BIC's, PL-200.

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Ain't gonna happen with your above room size and budget.

Price

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Quality

Pick two.

Based on your above comments, in my opinion, you won't be happy until you have a PB-1000, SB-1000 or a LV12R (or equivalents) and don't be surprised if you find yourself wanting to buy a second one of the aforementioned choices.
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The jury is not out on this issue as the RW-12d is the Top Dog of this price point. The current competition is, which will take the RW-12d's place. Will it be the NXG's, NX-BAS-500, or will it be BIC's, PL-200.
Ain't gonna happen with your above room size and budget.

Price

Size

Quality

Pick two.

Based on your above comments, in my opinion, you won't be happy until you have a PB-1000, SB-1000 or a LV12R (or equivalents) and don't be surprised if you find yourself wanting to buy a second one of the aforementioned choices.

So I should just be satisfied with Rw 12D and hope it sounds good enough , or I can add another Rw 12D later when I can spend another $300 in future? Because three subs you listed all are $500 subs which is beyond me for now.
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So I should just be satisfied with Rw 12D and hope it sounds good enough , or I can add another Rw 12D later when I can spend another $300 in future? Because three subs you listed all are $500 subs which is beyond me for now.

The NXG's, NX-BAS-500 is <$300.00.

The PL-200 is a bit over $300.00

As to the other three mentioned, yes, they're at the next higher price point but are worth waiting a month or two to save up the extra Benjamins to get a lot more performance.

Basically, the question becomes, do I buy now, so as to be unhappy and wish that I had bought better or do I save, buy better and be happy I didn't buy lesser? And yes, as encouragement, in the here and now, you can always buy a RW-12d and if still available, buy a second one later.

As an owner of a RW-12d based subwoofer system, I can say with personal certainty, you'll wish you had bought better. With empathy and understanding, based on personal experience, allow me to encourage you considering waiting until you can afford the next pricing level and if that's not a possibility, you might find you'll need three RW-12d's to make your room come alive.

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