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Currently own a RW12D. Like the sub but its not quite getting me where I want to go and port chuffing is annoying at times. I thought about getting a 2nd RW12D which would prolly eliminate port noise at reference levels with 2 of these. I'm considering a PB-12NSD or a SB13 Ultra. I'm pretty sure one SB13 Ultra would smoke 2 RW12D's but would one PB-12NSD out perform 2 RW12D's? I dont have a very big living room so a PB13 Ultra or PB12 Plus would not fit unfortunately. 50/50 movies and music. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

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Some will tell you two 12D’s but I would definitely choose a single 12NSD myself. Been there done that in a way. Go for the extension and better SQ my friend. Your question is a no-brainer to me. This is not to knock the 12D at all.. it’s a great budget sub.

EDIT> I see you mentioned the SB-ULTRA! If you can go that route, I would go with that first, then the NSD as my second choice.
Then you could go the two NSD route also. wink.gif

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Seeing as the SB13 Ultra is sealed will it still get low enough for that in your chest WOW for movies. Basically will it hit as low for movies as the PB12 NSD? Or will the SB13 Ultra go lower than the NSD for movies? I've owned both sealed and ported now and it seems that ported is better for movies and sealed is much better for music.

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In my 1700cu ft room this is what my SB13-Ultra can do.


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Currently own a RW12D. Like the sub but its not quite getting me where I want to go and port chuffing is annoying at times. I thought about getting a 2nd RW12D which would prolly eliminate port noise at reference levels with 2 of these. I'm considering a PB-12NSD or a SB13 Ultra. I'm pretty sure one SB13 Ultra would smoke 2 RW12D's but would one PB-12NSD out perform 2 RW12D's? I dont have a very big living room so a PB13 Ultra or PB12 Plus would not fit unfortunately. 50/50 movies and music. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you

Being that they are both tuned lower than the 12D it would not matter how many 12D’s you stacked them up agains the SVS would take them out. Up in the higher frequencies I couldn't say. Supper cheap subs go loud up higher, the big thing is how low do they go with out dropping off and of course SQ. Anyway the SVS options we’re talking about go plenty loud in the higher region.
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Seeing as the SB13 Ultra is sealed will it still get low enough for that in your chest WOW for movies. Basically will it hit as low for movies as the PB12 NSD? Or will the SB13 Ultra go lower than the NSD for movies? I've owned both sealed and ported now and it seems that ported is better for movies and sealed is much better for music.

The NSD has the lowest tune but the SB should extend farther being that it’s sealed. The ULTRA has a +-3 at 20Hz and the NSD has a +-3 at 18Hz. Being that your willing to spend $1599 on the ULTRA.. I’m assuming that your willing to spend a little less on two NSD’s correct? You did say you’re 50/50 movies .. mmm.. After taking a little more time thinking about things and since you mentioned movies, I would go with the NSD’s but maybe not?. A good vented sub will sound good in both movies and music. Remember there is a lot of music in movies. Anyway not to bash the 12D (I have one, wanted to check it out) it/they.. whatever the case, would not hold a candle up against the NSD’s or the ULTRA.

You had mentioned the 12+ was out but something to consider.. it’s only about 2” larger H X W X D. It would be a little cheaper than the two NSD’s and be about the same output if you collocated the NSD’s which I know you wouldn't. You could always ad another down the road, but I HIGHLY doubt you would feel any need for that. That’s the problem we have nowadays, so many options. Something to consider is are you shooting for the same spl at all seating areas in your room also. The dual NSD’s would most likely serve you best in that respect.

If you want precise numbers, there is a guy over in the SVS thread called neutro that can give you any numbers you might want. He is generally very quick at answering posts. http://www.avsforum.com/t/737143/official-svs-owners-support-thread/10860 I have had many of their options but who can keep track of all the numbers unless it’s your thing.


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In my 1700cu ft room this is what my SB13-Ultra can do.


Now that’s one nice looking graph!

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CChunter SVS makes great subs, but you may also want to consider PSA subs. I would seriously check out the XS-15 or the XV-15, they are both well within your price range and actually you could do duals of either and still be about the price of a SB13 Ultra. The PSA's are 15" downfiring subs and they really aren't much bigger than the SVS's.

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An SB13-Ultra = $1,599, shipped.

Alternatives include dual:
- Rythmik LV12R ($589/ea., shipped)
- Outlaw LFM-1 EX ($649/ea. + shipping)
- SVS PB12-NSD ($1,449/pr., shipped)
- PSA XV15 ($1,518.10/pr., shipped)
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An SB13-Ultra = $1,599, shipped.

Alternatives include dual:
- Rythmik LV12R ($589/ea., shipped)
- Outlaw LFM-1 EX ($649/ea. + shipping)
- SVS PB12-NSD ($1,449/pr., shipped)
- PSA XV15 ($1,518.10/pr., shipped)

In this range, my favorite is the Hsu VTF3 mk4, you can get a pair for $1500 shipped.
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In this range, my favorite is the Hsu VTF3 mk4, you can get a pair for $1500 shipped.
I was just about ready to post for you Shad.. why no HSU Eljay. smile.gif

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No reason - I just quickly jotted down a few options that came to mind, and prefaced my list with "Alternatives include" to indicate that it wasn't exhaustive. smile.gif
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I would definately go with SVS over the RW12...however I would rather have the PB12+ over the SB13U. It might not extend quite as deep but it will have a significant advantage around the port tune.
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I would definately go with SVS over the RW12...however I would rather have the PB12+ over the SB13U. It might not extend quite as deep but it will have a significant advantage around the port tune.

I agree, that's why I was trying to bring it up even though it was a little larger than what he wanted.

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oh I missed the part where he said the pb12 &13 was too large...I vote make room! smile.gif
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oh I missed the part where he said the pb12 &13 was too large...I vote make room! smile.gif

ha..Yeah It would actually be less room considering one 12+ versus two NSD’s.

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CChunter,


Put two water heaters in that room and see how it sounds. You might be surprised by two PC-12NSDs
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Thanks for all the advice and suggestions, much appreciated. I have looked at the other brands and models a few of you suggested but after doing research I'm still in <3 with SVS. I think I'm gonna try one PB12NSD and see how that goes. It'll be a few months before funds are in order. If ones not enough I may have to find room for two lol.

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Put two water heaters in that room and see how it sounds. You might be surprised by two PC-12NSDs
I've heard great reviews about those but damn they look like cat posts and I dont have any cats so people would prolly wonder where all the cats are when they come over and see them eek.gif

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Put two water heaters in that room and see how it sounds. You might be surprised by two PC-12NSDs

It would be a big upgrade over the D's I can tell you that! smile.gif

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Best of luck with the PB12-NSD! cool.gif

Dunno how big your room is but, fwiw, I found a single, older (325W, BASH-powered) PB12-NSD to be pretty impressive in my ~3,400 cu.ft. basement space. Lots of output, and flat to 18Hz. Duals would have been perfect. smile.gif
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Thanks for all the advice and suggestions, much appreciated. I have looked at the other brands and models a few of you suggested but after doing research I'm still in <3 with SVS. I think I'm gonna try one PB12NSD and see how that goes. It'll be a few months before funds are in order. If ones not enough I may have to find room for two lol.

Good luck, I think you’re going to really like it and notice a big difference rite away.. and as you say you can always ad another down the road.

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Ok guys I sold the RW12D today and cant make up my mind on what to get. I have it narrowed down to three choices. SB13 Ultra, PB12 Plus, or Dual PB12 NSD's. I said earlier in this thread that I couldn't fit a PB12 Plus but with my wifes approval shes willing to do whatever to accommodate a bigger sub of my choice or two for that matter. Yep shes a keeper!!! I am not interested in PSA or HSU but the Rythmik FV15HP has sparked some interest.

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Rythmik FV15HP is a beast of a sub...however I would go wth duals that fit your budget as we already discussed months ago.
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I said earlier in this thread that I couldn't fit a PB12 Plus but with my wifes approval shes willing to do whatever to accommodate a bigger sub of my choice or two for that matter. Yep shes a keeper!!! .

Keeper indeed. Congrats.
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She is a keeper! What do you think of the PC form factor? I bring this up because dual PC+ would be quite a rig (DUALZILLA!) and take up less footprint. DM brought this up also in the NSD option which of course is a good idea/option imo. Aesthetic wise imo it would look nice with your towers. That being that, dual PB+’s would be just as awesome except the different form factor.

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She is a keeper! What do you think of the PC form factor? I bring this up because dual PC+ would be quite a rig (DUALZILLA!) and take up less footprint. DM brought this up also in the NSD option which of course is a good idea/option imo. Aesthetic wise imo it would look nice with your towers. That being that, dual PB+’s would be just as awesome except the different form factor.
My wife does not like the cylinder style and I'm really not for it either.

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My wife does not like the cylinder style and I'm really not for it either.

WELL !biggrin.gif lol Totally understandable.. some like red, some hate it.

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