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I am looking for a sub that can be used for 70% movie and 30 % music. I am able to spend $1000 for it . I live in fl and my room is not carpeted not sure if that matters in selecting a sub. I will also look in some of the classifeds so please don't hold out on options. Can i get any advice please

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whats the size of your room? do you have room for 2 subs? Depending on room size and goals one sub may be fine you are only concerned with one or two seating areas. However if you have multiple seats to cover, then 2 lesser subs would be my choice.

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1 PSA XV15 799.00 shipped

1 HSU VTF3-MK4 748.00 shipped while on sale

2 Rythmik LV12R's 1070.00 shipped(would be my choice based on your budget)

2 SVS PB-1000 949.00 shipped
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Room size 18' x16

Seating  1 area

1 sub for now.

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Can i get any advice please

Pick one, music or Home Theater as you pick one and the other follows accordingly.

That said, from your list, two LV12R's.

LOL

Oh wait, those are basshead81's choices.

The good news, subwoofers perform equally well in Florida as they do in Cal-i-for-ni-a.

As to your room and carpeting, that question can only be answered by measuring your room and seeing how well your choice in subwoofer placement gets along with the room's acoustics.

If I had a budget of $1k and one subwoofer, if the room were open, I'd pickup a PSA XV15. and if the room were sealed, I'd pickup a XS15. I would spend the residual of the $1k, on room measuring capability and see what was what with what.
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Pick one, music or Home Theater as you pick one and the other follows accordingly.

That said, from your list, two LV12R's.

LOL

Oh wait, those are basshead81's choices.

The good news, subwoofers perform equally well in Florida as they do in Cal-i-for-ni-a.

As to your room and carpeting, that question can only be answered by measuring your room and seeing how well your choice in subwoofer placement gets along with the room's acoustics.

If I had a budget of $1k and one subwoofer, if the room were open, I'd pickup a PSA XV15. and if the room were sealed, I'd pickup a XS15. I would spend the residual of the $1k, on room measuring capability and see what was what with what.

Considering bass did not have all the info.. GOOD answer Bee. +1 tongue.gif

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Around $1k, the best sub isHsu VTF15h. Carpeting does not affect bass acoustics, so don't worry about that. Carpeting does help dampen higher frequency reflections, so it is beneficial to your sound system.
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Pick one, music or Home Theater as you pick one and the other follows accordingly.

That said, from your list, two LV12R's.

LOL

Oh wait, those are basshead81's choices.

The good news, subwoofers perform equally well in Florida as they do in Cal-i-for-ni-a.

As to your room and carpeting, that question can only be answered by measuring your room and seeing how well your choice in subwoofer placement gets along with the room's acoustics.

If I had a budget of $1k and one subwoofer, if the room were open, I'd pickup a PSA XV15. and if the room were sealed, I'd pickup a XS15. I would spend the residual of the $1k, on room measuring capability and see what was what with what.

 



The room is open and i do plan on doing some room measuring . What do you think about these other ones

Paradigm servo-15 subwoofer

SVS PB 12 Plus

M&K MX-350THX Reference Subwoofer

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The room is open and i do plan on doing some room measuring . What do you think about these other ones
Paradigm servo-15 subwoofer
SVS PB 12 Plus
M&K MX-350THX Reference Subwoofer

I believe the SVS PB12+ is on par with the XV15 if I remember a certain conversation correctly? Maybe a little more output at certain frequencies? Anyway I can attest to it’s a great sub with a lot of output and nice SQ.

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I believe the SVS PB12+ is on par with the XV15 if I remember a certain conversation correctly? Maybe a little more output at certain frequencies? Anyway I can attest to it’s a great sub with a lot of output and nice SQ.


ok so lets narrow it down more. how does it match up to (SVS PB12) to the VTF 15 h

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guys i have been checking some reviews of the Hsu and it's a bit conflicted as some are saying that it does not perform that well for Ht .

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guys i have been checking some reviews of the Hsu and it's a bit conflicted as some are saying that it does not perform that well for Ht .

I had a chart but I’ll be darned if I can find it! No the HSU hung in there very well with some of the big boy’s. HSU is noted for SQ and output also. I have never seen any bad review myself. confused.gif

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I'd go with the HSU VTF-15h. For a single sub, budget of $1000, the HSU is the easy choice.

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I would wait for Ricci to update data-bass with measurements on the VTF-15 before pulling the trigger.
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I would wait for Ricci to update data-bass with measurements on the VTF-15 before pulling the trigger.

You know bass I would love to see the PB12+ on there also. I’ll be the first to admit that it would not be the most economical, but none the same I would like to see it on there.

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You know bass I would love to see the PB12+ on there also. I’ll be the first to admit that it would not be the most economical, but none the same I would like to see it on there.

me too...i will make a poll thread on the next sub to target for donation. however that is only if Josh is willing!
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me too...i will make a poll thread on the next sub to target for donation. however that is only if Josh is willing!
COOL! That would be great! cool.gif

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Chase Home Theater has a SS 18.1 for $500 that can be paired with a Crown or Berhinger amp within you budget. This sub is very musical and great for HT. Read a few of the subwoofer shootout and it is always close to top with subs costing near $2000. Also a second sub can be added down the road for only the cost of the sub since the amps can support 2-4 subs. I have 2 of them and can get things shaking in the room at around 10-12 Hz in a room larger than 6500 cubic ft.

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Read a few of the subwoofer shootout and it is always close to top with subs costing near $2000. 

Please link to the shootout where it is comparable to a $2K sub. Also, what sub?

 

 

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I have 2 of them and can get things shaking in the room at around 10-12 Hz in a room larger than 6500 cubic ft.

Only if you're wearing them as headphones. These will not have significant output at 10-12hz in that size room.

 

derrick, these are good bang for the buck subs, (if you can look past the owner/company antics), but they are no magic bullet and have its limitations. Unless the room is a smaller, concrete type room, these are not bottom dwellers at all and won't dig very deep with significant output.

 

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OP, I'd probably go with the HSU for $1K. If you wanted to save some money, then the XV15.

 

Of course, I'll be the guy to say spend more and get the Rythmik FV15HP...there's always one in every thread. smile.gif

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What do you think about these other ones

Paradigm servo-15 subwoofer
SVS PB 12 Plus
M&K MX-350THX Reference Subwoofer

Of late, my focus has been: SVS, PSA and Rythmik. These are the subs that interest me so I've stopped looking to other subwoofers as a subwoofer solution. Due to issues of room smoothing, I'm a three subwoofer kinda guy. With that in mind, being that you have an open room, I would also recommend looking at a pair of SVS, PB-1000's.

One solution is to buy a single vented subwoofer and acquire room measuring capability. After learning how to dial your system in, then spend the additional money to acquire and integrate a second and eventually a third subwoofer. If doing what I suggest in my above, I'd purchase a PSA, XV15, download a freeware copy of REW, purchase a sound meter, a measuring microphone and learn how it all works. This should be less than $1k and give you a start on your way to a killer subwoofer sound reproduction system.
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The room is open and i do plan on doing some room measuring . What do you think about these other ones
Paradigm servo-15 subwoofer
SVS PB 12 Plus
M&K MX-350THX Reference Subwoofer

If you can get these for $1k, the Paradigm Servo-15 would be a great choice. It normally sells for a lot more than $1k. That is a powerful sealed 15". I wouldn't be surprised if it had the most output above 30 Hz. It's driver will be so much better than all the others. That would probably be my choice. The PB12 Plus will have the most output around 20 Hz though. I wouldn't discount the M&K sub either, it is a very cleverly engineered unit. I would take any of those over the VTF15h and PSA XV15.
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If you can get these for $1k, the Paradigm Servo-15 would be a great choice.
A gently-used Servo-15 v2 for $1K would be an awesome sub to have. (One of my buddies has one in a ~18' x 15' x 8.5' basement HT room and it is simply amazing! cool.gif )

A v1 for $1K would be overpriced - a more realistic price is ~$600.
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A gently-used Servo-15 v2 for $1K would be an awesome sub to have. (One of my buddies has one in a ~18' x 15' x 8.5' basement HT room and it is simply amazing! )


Back when Ed was doing reviews, he did a review of the Paradigm Servo-15 and he was very impressed and had the numbers to back it up. It could probably still be found.

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from the research I have done it appears the servo 15 would be around a VTF15, XV15, or PB12+ in performance...maybe a hair more. The PB13U throttles it pretty good below 20hz. Imo I would buy a new sub that has a full warranty before spending 1k on a sub thats who knows how old...5+ yrs?


here is a interesting post.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/250791-paradigm-servo-15-or-svs/?p=3001540
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from the research I have done it appears the servo 15 would be around a VTF15, XV15, or PB12+ in performance...maybe a hair more. The PB13U throttles it pretty good below 20hz. Imo I would buy a new sub that has a full warranty before spending 1k on a sub thats who knows how old...5+ yrs?


here is a interesting post.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/250791-paradigm-servo-15-or-svs/?p=3001540


 True the warranty would be good but mi also can't afford to go over this amount.

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 Man i did not really think it would be so hard to make a choice.

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The servo 15 (v2) has a much better driver and much better amplifier than any of these others. It won't match the ported subs in output at their tuning points, but in every other respect it will clobber them. It also has more features and looks nicer. This would be an easy choice for me.
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The servo 15 (v2) has a much better driver and much better amplifier than any of these others. It won't match the ported subs in output at their tuning points, but in every other respect it will clobber them. It also has more features and looks nicer. This would be an easy choice for me.

where does it state in this thread that the paradigm is a v2? If its so good why is it never recomended or talked about?
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 Man i did not really think it would be so hard to make a choice.

If your set on one sub I would go with either the XV15 or VTF15..both have Top notch customer service and plenty of output. In your size room I do not see a sealed sub having a significant advantage over a ported sub. Both subs mentioned will get you reference level output. I would not buy the servo15 unless its a v2... even at that since most of your listening is movies, you will appreciate the extra output around the port tune.
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where does it state in this thread that the paradigm is a v2? If its so good why is it never recomended or talked about?

It's not talked about because it's MSRP is $2.5k. At that price, you can do better, at least for sheer output. But given its performance, features, and build quality, nothing around $1k would compete with it, unless it's a very nice DIY sub.
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