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I'm picking up a set of Paradigm Atoms, Surround 1 and Center 1 and need a subwoofer to go with it.

Some options I'm looking at:

SVS PB1000
Klipsch RW-12D
Paradigm DSP3100

I don't want downward facing as I want low sound without shaking the house (wife).

Primary use movies and video games.

My budget is up to $500.
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down firing has nothing to do with shaking the house...bass waves are omni directional. some say using a auralex gramma helps reduce shaking, not sure how true that it is.

That being said I would probably go with the PB-1000 or if you want more sub for the money, the Rythmik LV12R is noted to be the best sub under 600.00...however both will probably suit your needs. The Rythmik will have more output and tighter bass at higher volumes.
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not sure how true that it is.

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That is what I thought too...thanks for confirming.
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So the SVS is the best in this scenario?
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no the LV12R is.
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Ok, I'll check out the Rythmic. Can't bring their product page up right now.

Another option would be 2 RW-12D, that's pushing my budget but could by one now and the other later...though I could do that with any I suppose.
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Ok, I'll check out the Rythmic. Can't bring their product page up right now.

Another option would be 2 RW-12D, that's pushing my budget but could by one now and the other later...though I could do that with any I suppose.

The LVR is a much better sub and will save you $$ in the long run. You will enjoy your system much better with the LVR option.. better SQ and lower extension.

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I'm not seeing the LV12R on Rythmik's website. Am I missing something?

Also sounds like Ryhmik is on vacation for another week, anywhere reputable I can purchase it at?
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I'm not seeing the LV12R on Rythmik's website.
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Anyone have images of the rythmik? For Internet only, their site is not real convincing.

I also couldn't find their return policy or warrantee.
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Anyone have images of the rythmik? For Internet only, their site is not real convincing.

I also couldn't find their return policy or warrantee.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/speaker-subwoofer-reviews/67309-rythmik-lv12r-subwoofer-review.html Pics half way through first page.

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I also couldn't find their return policy or warrantee.
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At Rythmik Audio, we stand behind our products. Our return policy is as follows:
  • All returns need a RMA number. Please contact us before you return the product.
  • If the product is not used and it is in a condition that it can be re-sold, you can return it within 30 days after you place the order.
  • All of our shipments are insured. For damaged shipment, please notify the appropriate postal service immediately.
  • All products carry warranty against defects as specified in the product information web page.
  • Products needing service under warranty should be sent to us insured at your cost. We will either send a new unit or repair the returned unit, at our discretion.
  • All other returns of non-defective units are subject to a restocking fee.

(The section on "International Warranty and Pricing" is immediately below it.)
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Thanks! I'm still not finding how long their warranty is, but thanks for the return policy. Pretty standard it seems, though SVS definitely seems to have better customer service.

Certainly no extra points in the looks department, but maybe that helps it blend in.
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How does the Rythmik stand up to the HSU that many talk about here in the forum? I had initially written them off since I thought it would make the room shake more; apparently that's not how bass works.
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How does the Rythmik stand up to the HSU that many talk about here in the forum? I had initially written them off since I thought it would make the room shake more; apparently that's not how bass works.
I am running a VTF-15H with my Studio V3's and it sounds great for music and movies a great bang for the buck.
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How does the Rythmik stand up to the HSU that many talk about here in the forum? I had initially written them off since I thought it would make the room shake more; apparently that's not how bass works.

Which sub to which sub?
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Good question; probably the hsu vtf-2 (or 1), or the mbm-12 compared to the Rythmik LV12R and that SVS pb1200 is still on the list.
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Rythmik hands down based on those choices.
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Why so? What does the Rythmik bring that others don't?
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Head over to audioholics and hometheatre shack and read the reviews. the lv12r is noted as the best sub under 600.00. I do not own Rythmik so I am offering a unbiased opinion. I went with PSA because of the stellar customer service and warranty. However they do not offer anything that fits your budget.
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There's a Rhythmik thread here in the subwoofer forum. Rythmik offers servo control and deep bass at an attractive price point relative to most of the competition. It is a very small company with the good and bad that goes along with it -- you can talk directly with the designer on the phone, but if he's on vacation the company is hard to reach. smile.gif I chose Rythmik over Velodyne and Paradigm models at much higher price points but since I never had all three in the same room at the same time all I can say is the Rythmik did not lose anything in subjective comparison (except a few thousand dollars). Specs you can read on the websites. I have never heard the SVS or Klipsch so no opinion.

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Thanks, ill look for that thread.

What's the bad? More service side? Reliability?
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I am looking at getting a pair pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5 along with either the CC-590 or CC-690 center channel. I am also looking at either the DSP-3200 or the Studio Sub 12. My listening is primarily 70% movies and 30% music. I am not looking to shake the house apart but want to great bass in movies but also hear the detail in music (guess I am getting older). There is a large price difference between these options so am looking for the best option. My room is a dedicated home theater space that is 10ft x 18.75ft x 8.66ft (WxLxH). I am willing to step up tot he SUB12 but don't what to spend the extra coin if a properly tuned DSP-3200 will work just as well 95% of the time.

Any thoughts/advice is appreciated.
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I am looking at getting a pair pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5 along with either the CC-590 or CC-690 center channel.
Definitely get the CC-690. I've heard both the 590 and 690 in my set-up and the 690, IMO, is a MUCH better CC speaker.
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I am also looking at either the DSP-3200 or the Studio Sub 12. My listening is primarily 70% movies and 30% music. ... There is a large price difference between these options so am looking for the best option. My room is a dedicated home theater space that is 10ft x 18.75ft x 8.66ft (WxLxH).
Your room is ~1,700 cu.ft., so it's not very large. IMO, the DSP-3200 isn't worth buying, and the SUB-12 is over-priced. Not sure what your budget is, but options to consider include:

- Rythmik LV12R ($589 + shipping), E15HP ($1,134 + shipping) or F15HP ($1,184 + shipping)

(I was going to include the F15 as well, but according to the product page it's out of stock and no price is listed.)

- HSU VTF-3 MK4 (currently on sale for $649 + $99 shipping) or VTF-15H ($879 + $143 shipping)

- SVS SB12-NSD ($649, shipped) or PB12-NSD (currently on sale for $699, shipped)

(SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days.)

- PSA XS15 ($749, shipped), XV15 ($799, shipped) or XS30 ($1,149, shipped)
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Definitely get the CC-690. I've heard both the 590 and 690 in my set-up and the 690, IMO, is a MUCH better CC speaker.
Your room is ~1,700 cu.ft., so it's not very large. IMO, the DSP-3200 isn't worth buying, and the SUB-12 is over-priced. Not sure what your budget is, but options to consider include:

- Rythmik LV12R ($589 + shipping), E15HP ($1,134 + shipping) or F15HP ($1,184 + shipping)

(I was going to include the F15 as well, but according to the product page it's out of stock and no price is listed.)

- HSU VTF-3 MK4 (currently on sale for $649 + $99 shipping) or VTF-15H ($879 + $143 shipping)

- SVS SB12-NSD ($649, shipped) or PB12-NSD (currently on sale for $699, shipped)

(SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days.)

- PSA XS15 ($749, shipped), XV15 ($799, shipped) or XS30 ($1,149, shipped)

Thanks for the information. I was thinking the CC-690 would be better but did not know if it would be too much for the room... I originally was looking at the Studio 100s but decided it was a little overkill for the room so decided the 60s would work. Also, the dealer did not have any available to try just the 60s. I did listen to some B&W CM10s today and also liked those if someone has an opinion on anything of these options. I was not as impressed with with the B&W center channel...

For subs, my budget is a little open. Want to get a good option that shows the details and does not just boom... I would like to not have to put money on shipping as I would rather use that money to get a better unit so that was why I am looking at the Paradigm options. I also could consider a JL audio but I do not remember the model... Think the retail was around $2400. I will take a look at these options. What makes these better that the Paradigm options?
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For subs, my budget is a little open. Want to get a good option that shows the details and does not just boom... I would like to not have to put money on shipping as I would rather use that money to get a better unit so that was why I am looking at the Paradigm options. ... What makes these better that the Paradigm options?
They represent a considerably better value (performance:dollar). Although all these subs will show detail and not just boom, Rythmik's servo-equipped subs might be the ones you should consider first.

Given the size of your room, a single F15HP or dual LV12Rs would be good options, IMO.
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Thanks! My room is a dedicated home theater space that is 10ft x 18.75ft x 8.66ft (WxLxH). I probably will not be able to do dual subs as I do not have a real good way to run a second sub line based on my construction as the wires were pre-run through the drywall to an equipment room.
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They represent a considerably better value (performance:dollar). Although all these subs will show detail and not just boom, Rythmik's servo-equipped subs might be the ones you should consider first.

Given the size of your room, a single F15HP or dual LV12Rs would be good options, IMO.

What are your thoughts on the SVS PB12-Plus and are their any other ID subs out there that would compare that I should consider? I do not just want to shake the room (if fact do not really have to do this). However, I would like great details in music but still be able to hit hard....
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I don't have any experience with the PB12-Plus, but it is a well-rated sub. IMO, if the Rythmiks don't interest you, another couple of options are the PowerSoundAudio (PSA) XS30 and the SVS SB13-Ultra.
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