Here's a pic of the amp:
The only input is an XLR connection. It has no RCA inputs, but Mark includes an RCA to XLR adapter with the sub. It has no speaker level inputs, no phase control, no crossovers, or LPF/HPF, only a level control. It is expected that all those other functions reside in the receiver or pre/pro's Bass Management, which your receiver has. In your case, you would connect the RCA to XLR adapter to your receiver's Subwoofer 1output, then an XLR cable from the adapter to the sub.
Upstairs Den: Samsung 58C7000 / Random Samsung Soundbar/ Wireless Sub
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A quote from mark
It is admittedly a deliberate narrative I've chosen to focus on, as there are plenty of products past and current which look like they should or could have compared well with or exceeded what the SubMersive offers. All made different choices in design, optimization and execution which makes for a different end experience when you fire them up in your own system.
I just glanced through various pictures I have filed away related to the SubMersive, and the only pictures of the driver I even have saved are from way back during development. I have repeatedly emphasized that I made the choice to employ 2 quality drivers which I optimized specifically for my use rather than a single monster driver. As such, the driver looks good, but is far from flashy. Some may recall these very early photos from more than 6 years ago alongside some very early prototype cabinets:
As you can see the driver uses the same 12-spoke cast aluminum frame seen on so many of today's subwoofers along with a large diameter spider and a pair of stacked magnets under the rubber "boot". The LAB15 from Eminence was added as a standard offering from Eminence a couple years ago. It shares most cosmetic parts, but has very different parameters as it was intended for bass horn and related pro use. It was added to both advertise what Eminence could build at the 15" size and to help insure the baskets and other unique parts would be kept in the Eminence parts bin for myself and the other manufacturer who was using the similar platform in the pro audio world. The lack of flash and style to the Eminence parts is hugely countered by Eminence being an exceptionally reliable supplier to work with. Over the next few weeks we will finally achieve my goal of keeping 2 or more SubMersive HP's in both black oak and black maple packed and ready to ship the same day. We keep 2-4 dozen SubMersives in our various finishes ready to load with amplifiers and test/pack per order, which makes for a turn around of same or next business day for most items. Those who have followed other internet direct manufacturers know how long or unknown the wait has been or currently is on other products.
Indeed, and it's a great thing to see so many SubMersive owners understanding the same.
I don't recall asking people not to post pictures. So few have had to replace a driver with single digit replacements over 6 years time that there aren't many who have had any reason to open up and take pictures. The replacements have been due to internal glue issues which only were identifiable with extended use. We have yet to see a failure related to extreme use. That's not a challenge guys! It's possible to break most anything with enough creativity. Fortunately I'm pretty creative in this regard myself.
Upstairs Den: Samsung 58C7000 / Random Samsung Soundbar/ Wireless Sub
i just got my first seaton sub.don't need any measurements,charts,or shinny brouchures. i hope Mark doesn't waste any money on that bs.
please continue to design,produce,and sell the best sub i have ever heard.i felt guilty leaving doc hsu , after 15 years of using his products.
This sub has a twin on order , and i can't wait.
IF IT WORKS ,DON'T FIX IT !
Thanks Mark for your elegant design,beautiful bass,and affordable STATE OF THE ART.
These guys are artists, let them create.you can get a any sub immediately,take the time to talk with MARK. A really nice man.both of these guys have taught me some patience.
good luck.emasil me with any questions firstname.lastname@example.org
I own a Bag End Infrasub-18 that I recently rebuilt because it was flood damaged. But I had my sights set on Rythmik for the future. I am seeing the name Seaton a lot, and wanted to see what he has to offer. I really don't want to call him just for basic product information. Essentially what I've had to do is browse forums and search google, and piece together bits of information.
I'm still not really certain what exactly he offers.
And thanks for the feedback.
Also I've concluded that Submersive is not really for me. I've read several opinions that state they don't have the transient response I'm looking for.
I think what I need is 2 sets of subs. One set will be similar to my Bag End Infrasub-18, and the other can be something like the Submersive HP, and cross them over steeply at 20hz or something like that.
Rythmik seems to offer a happy medium, with both the low extension, good transient response, and decent output. But at the same time, there are subs that offer better definition, and other subs that offer higher output. It's just that Rythmik seems to offer the most of everything in a single package.
Maybe in a few years I can pick up a few of these various subs and experiment.
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No one subwoofer is going to be the perfect fit for every room environment and set of personal preferences of course.
Power Sound Audio
What I am getting at, If you have the funds to throw it out, I suggest going with the best you can afford at the time of purchasing. If you start with any JTR, a Submersive, PSA Triax, Funk Audio, Or Reaction PS18x your gonna be extremely happy and shouldnt have any of that what if lurking in your head. Well... until you start thinking of adding more
for me at least, i would get a sub, be happy with it, thinking i'll never upgrade again, but the food chain seems to be getting bigger every year and with it, my human-natured greedy appetite
Klipsch: KLF-30, KLF C-7, KG 5.5, KG 4.2
Power&Preamp: Elektra Theatron, Cary Cinema 11a
Subs: Dual Passive JTR 2400 Captivators
Power Amp: Crown XLS 5000
Viewing: Sony Bravia 850b 70"
On a different note, I have heard the name Power Sound Audio before, but I just checked out your products. The S3000 looks identical to the Submersive HP. Is there a connection? Also where can I get ICEpower amps. I really want to build a DIY sub, but the only plate amps I can find are at Parts Express.
Also, what exactly do you mean by quick response, because two drivers of differing "weight", playing at the same spl with the same 30hz tone are both moving exactly the same amount of space per second?
I think it has a lot to do with the mass of moving components, and maybe resistance added by a stiff surround. If you take the time to pull up all of the Dayton Audio 18" drivers for instance, both in the speaker components and pro audio sections, you'll see that in general, as Xmax increases, so does diaphram mass.
Also transducers typically do really well in their few octaves of range. It makes sense that a driver designed to play at 10hz would not do so well at 80hz. This may not seem like a huge range, but it's 3 octaves, same range as 2.5khz - 20khz.
Many 3-4" drivers claim to be full range, but they don't respond quickly enough to be accurate in the high frequencies. I think the same thing happens with subwoofers that are designed to play loud and low. They just don't respond quickly enough to be convincing in the musical spectrum.
At least that is my theory based on what I've seen and heard, and not having multiple subs with varying characteristics on hand to do more formal testing. I do have a 10" ported Tannoy and an 18" Bag End Infrasub, but they are hardly comparable.
I would like to purchase a few of those drivers I talked about from Dayton and build some subs to compare. When I get a house with a workshop or garage I will do it.
However, if you are proposing adding a MBM (mid-bass module) to a system that has specific driver for a ~50 - 150 Hz frequency range - then yes - you are correct that low xmax high sensitivity drivers are not intended for subsonic bass. There is usually a design compromise made to get extension at the expense of mid-bass and vice-versa, but there are many subs with high excursion that extend just fine to a conventional 80 Hz crossover. A MBM may not be considered a subwoofer, though.
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