If this was your room (Pics) - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-15-2013, 08:08 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Hello,

I am about to upgrade the subwoofer in my home theater. I just sold my old, original model, Outlaw LFM-1. (Ignore it in the photos.)

I am considering one of two options that are both around $1,000:

HSU VTF-15H
or
Two SVS PB-1000's


The room is a loft space. You can see the opening to the stairs in the photo.
The room is 19 feet long from front to back.
The room is 11' 6" wide with an open set of stairs. As a result, the area behind the couch is about 8' wide.
The couch is 12' 7" front the front wall.
There is about 6' 5" from the back of the couch to the rear wall with the bookcase.
The ceiling slopes upwards towards towards a point above which is a few feet ahead of the couch.
Probably about 1,800 cu/ft and then add on the open staircase.
Currently using KEF iQ 10's for LCR, and older KEF eggs for rears and heights.
100% Home Theater. I crank up the volume at times but not insane SPL's.


I'm torn. The HSU should have lower bass and more impact. But the PB-1000's should go down to 19hz which is fine, assuming they can do it well in my room. They would also offer a smoother response, but my seating area is just one couch, usually just a few people so not sure if that is a factor.

So, if it was your room, which option would you choose?

Thanks,
Dan



Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-15-2013, 08:19 AM
Member
 
r0n1n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Singapore
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 18
PSA biggrin.gif I have XS30 but since you like ported, try XV15 smile.gif

Btw, you have a very nice and cozy place cool.gif
oneeyeblind likes this.

Paradigm Studio 10 v5 | Paradigm CC 290 v6 | Paradigm ADP 190 v5 | PSA XS30 | Denon 1911
r0n1n is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 08:20 AM
AVS Special Member
 
eljaycanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 5,555
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Liked: 587
Quote:
I am considering one of two options that are both around $1,000:
. . .
100% Home Theater. I crank up the volume at times but not insane SPL's. ... my seating area is just one couch ...
I'd go with a single HSU VTF-15H ($879 + $143 shipping) or PSA XV15 ($799, shipped).
eljaycanuck is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 08:24 AM
AVS Special Member
 
flickhtguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Lebanon, PA
Posts: 2,458
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 105
^^^ +1

Shawn
flickhtguru is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 08:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
Because of your seating I would go with the VTF hands down. Might you fill me in on what the white cylinders are in your R corner?

Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 09:04 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Because of your seating I would go with the VTF hands down. Might you fill me in on what the white cylinders are in your R corner?

The white cylinder is actually a floor standing lamp from Ikea.

Alright, I'm definitely leaning towards the HSU.

Thanks
Dan

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 09:05 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0n1n View Post

PSA biggrin.gif I have XS30 but since you like ported, try XV15 smile.gif

Btw, you have a very nice and cozy place cool.gif

I was thinking ported simply to get the biggest home theater experience and genuinely get down to 20hz or so.

Thanks for the compliment!

Dan

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 09:08 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I'd go with a single HSU VTF-15H ($879 + $143 shipping) or PSA XV15 ($799, shipped).

Checking out the PSA XV15 now. I didn't realize it came with custom veneers. Now I'm very interested.

I'm guessing it's a toss up between that and the HSU--both ported 15's from great designers. Would there be a significant difference?

Dan

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 09:12 AM
AVS Special Member
 
eljaycanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 5,555
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Liked: 587
IMO, the biggest difference is the VTF-15H's tunability: You can block ports for max output / max extension, and the amp has PEQ functionality.

If you think these features could be of use to you in your HT space, you might want to go with the HSU.

If your AVR is equipped with good room EQ software - such as Audyssey MultEQ XT or XT32 - I think it's more of a toss-up.

Either way, you end up with a powerful and well-rated sub.
eljaycanuck is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 09:24 AM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
I see the options have increased.. now for the budget. wink.gif I'm thinking dual driver options...

Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:12 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Budget: I was thinking $1,000-$1,500.

All in, I'd like to cap it at $1,500. (Shipping, etc.)

The HSU is a great value coming in at just over a grand. Not sure I would increase performance significantly by stretching another $450. But I'm open to all options.

Thanks
Dan

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:22 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Transmaniacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 3,687
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 490 Post(s)
Liked: 463
Have you thought about DIY? You could easily build a pair of 15" subs and get a lot of bang for your buck.

Denon AVR-1713 | EMP E55Ti | EMP E56Ci | EMP E5Bi | BIC F-12
Transmaniacon is online now  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:38 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Reefdvr27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cape May, NJ
Posts: 3,236
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 840 Post(s)
Liked: 556
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

Might you fill me in on what the white cylinders are in your R corner?
LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

Back to the subject, If anyway possible, I would go duals. "IMO" You are not going to see a huge difference from the Outlaw with either of the subs mentioned unless you get two. I had dual Outlaws and they really do impress for what they are. If at all possible, I would get two subs. For that room, you should have just added another EX and you would have been set. If you could do it, I would look at the PSA XV-30 or XV-30f or dual XV-15's.
Reefdvr27 is online now  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:45 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

Have you thought about DIY? You could easily build a pair of 15" subs and get a lot of bang for your buck.

I've already purchase two flat packs to build dual 10" sealed subs for a satellite system in my apartment in New York City. (No 20hz happening there with neighbors.)

But between a crazy job, two little kids, and the first floor of the weekend house you're seeing in the pictures above getting wiped out by hurricane Sandy, I can't find any time to build them. Hopefully sometime this summer.

So for the loft of our weekend shore house, I'd rather just buy a sub. Just don't have the time for DIY.

Dan

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:49 AM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

Back to the subject, If anyway possible, I would go duals. "IMO" You are not going to see a huge difference from the Outlaw with either of the subs mentioned unless you get two. I had dual Outlaws and they really do impress for what they are. If at all possible, I would get two subs. For that room, you should have just added another EX and you would have been set. If you could do it, I would look at the PSA XV-30 or XV-30f or dual XV-15's.

I bought the Outlaw used. It was the first model and probably 9 or 10 years old. I was thinking an upgrade to a 15" with more excursion would be a big step up.

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:50 AM
AVS Special Member
 
shadyJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 7,130
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 438 Post(s)
Liked: 626
At $1500 I wold go for either a single Rythmik FV15HP or dual Hsu VTF3 mk4s. The Rythmik ought to get you more overall output and maybe better sound quality, the Hsus will get you a flatter frequency response and better room coverage.
shadyJ is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:54 AM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
Quote:
LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

I thought maybe the OP had some kind of special lead pertaining to SVS options or something. wink.gif
Quote:
If you could do it, I would look at the PSA XV-30 or XV-30f or dual XV-15's.

That works!

Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 11:56 AM
AVS Special Member
 
flickhtguru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Lebanon, PA
Posts: 2,458
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 105
At $1,518.10 dual PSA XV-15's would be nice if you could swing that.

Shawn
flickhtguru is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 12:24 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

I thought maybe the OP had some kind of special lead pertaining to SVS options or something. wink.gif
That works!

Actually, because of the Ikea white cylinder light in the right corner, I was considering buying an SVS cylinder sub and recovering it in white fabric to match. But I'm not sure that it would look good. I did a quick mockup a few weeks ago.

I think a box would be better.
Bigsky HiFi likes this.

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 12:25 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
with the HSU...

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 01:03 PM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
Quote:
Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Actually, because of the Ikea white cylinder light in the right corner, I was considering buying an SVS cylinder sub and recovering it in white fabric to match. But I'm not sure that it would look good. I did a quick mockup a few weeks ago.

I think a box would be better.

LOL.. I would have to agree with you on that. Looks like you have been quite thorough in the mock dept.. smile.gif

Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 01:35 PM
Member
 
isagreg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 128
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve nn View Post

LOL.. I would have to agree with you on that. Looks like you have been quite thorough in the mock dept.. smile.gif

It's Photoshop
isagreg is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 01:35 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
cel4145's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 11,760
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 249 Post(s)
Liked: 781
Quote:
Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Actually, because of the Ikea white cylinder light in the right corner, I was considering buying an SVS cylinder sub and recovering it in white fabric to match. But I'm not sure that it would look good. I did a quick mockup a few weeks ago.

I think a box would be better.

Dual PC-12s ($1399) could look good, even in black. The roundness matching not just the cylinder light on the right, but also the roundness of the tables and the speakers up above. They are also not as tall as your mockup, so not as imposing on the rest of the room. Your mockup sub looks like a water heater it's so big smile.gif

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
HT: Energy RC-50, RC-LCR, Veritas VS Surrounds | Dual CHT SS 18.1s | Denon AVR-888 | modified Dayton SA1000 | Antimode 8033C
Desktop: CBM-170 SE | SVS SB-1000 | Audio-GD NFB-11 | HK 3390
Headphone & Portable HE-400 | K612 Pro | HP150 | DX50 | E12
cel4145 is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 01:44 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Dual PC-12s ($1399) could look good, even in black. The roundness matching not just the cylinder light on the right, but also the roundness of the tables and the speakers up above. They are also not as tall as your mockup, so not as imposing on the rest of the room. Your mockup sub looks like a water heater it's so big smile.gif

When I did the mockup, I was estimating the size of the PC-13 Ultra. The space from the window to the wall on the left is about 19" or so. The PC-12's would be smaller. Not sure if black is better...maybe?

Where it gets tricky with duals is the right side of the room. If you look closely, you'll see that there is much less room. The distance from window to wall on the right is only about 7" or 8". And I really didn't want to obscure the window or be right on top of the right speaker. I plan on pulling them out from the corners along the walls though, but i'm not sure if this helps with duals.

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 02:43 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
dftkell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 794
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Liked: 55
Now I'm torn...an HSU VTF15...or....an SVS PC12-Plus cylinder....the cylinder look could be cool in this room....not sure though...

Little Loft Home Theater
dftkell is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 02:56 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
cel4145's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 11,760
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 249 Post(s)
Liked: 781
Quote:
Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Now I'm torn...an HSU VTF15...or....an SVS PC12-Plus cylinder....the cylinder look could be cool in this room....not sure though...

I think the black cylinder look would be cool as opposed to a black box or white cylinder because you already have a white cylinder light, and white shades, and white round tables. But room aesthetics are definitely a personal thing smile.gif

Your questions are answered: Speaker FAQ
HT: Energy RC-50, RC-LCR, Veritas VS Surrounds | Dual CHT SS 18.1s | Denon AVR-888 | modified Dayton SA1000 | Antimode 8033C
Desktop: CBM-170 SE | SVS SB-1000 | Audio-GD NFB-11 | HK 3390
Headphone & Portable HE-400 | K612 Pro | HP150 | DX50 | E12
cel4145 is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 02:58 PM
AVS Special Member
 
basshead81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Fort Wayne, IN
Posts: 6,435
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 35 Post(s)
Liked: 1704
go with duals...for 1500.00 dollars i would go with hsu vtf-3 mk4's or psa xv15's.
basshead81 is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 03:19 PM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
Quote:
Now I'm torn...an HSU VTF15...or....an SVS PC12-Plus cylinder....the cylinder look could be cool in this room....not sure though...
ReplyQuote Multi



Actually imo the SVS cylinders are very manageable. At 35” tall they're really not that big considering the output. Take note of the three 12+’s all in one corner. That’s how little floor space they actually take. Don’t ever wrap one in white though. mad.gifbiggrin.gif The Ultra is a foot taller so exhibits much more presence (it’s the cylinder by itself) at bottom, but not as large as your mock. I would akin that to a LLT which I have posted for you along side so you can see what you would really be looking at. One of the pics is very grainy due to dig cam at the time, but it still gets the point across.









EDIT> And the same corner with two box style +’s. You can see I had enough room for 4 cylinder +’s as apposed to 2 box style.





Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
Old 07-15-2013, 05:14 PM
AVS Special Member
 
ousooner2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,137
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Liked: 95
Steve....you could have stacked 2 more boxed subs on top and had the same height as the cylinders biggrin.gif Okay maybe a little taller, but 4 subs either way

Those cylinders are pretty cool though. Hopefully i'll get to see one and hear one in person someday

Panny 65st60 / Denon X1000 / EMP e55ti / EMP e56ci / EMP e5bi / (2) e1010i
ousooner2 is online now  
Old 07-15-2013, 06:26 PM
AVS Special Member
 
steve nn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,207
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 428
Quote:
Originally Posted by ousooner2 View Post

Steve....you could have stacked 2 more boxed subs on top and had the same height as the cylinders biggrin.gif Okay maybe a little taller, but 4 subs either way

Those cylinders are pretty cool though. Hopefully i'll get to see one and hear one in person someday

Ok you caught me. That would be a pretty good size block of woof though. I don’t think WAF would have permitted? Anyway I found the perfect mix stacked and all just for you ousooner2 smile.gif Seriously though.. I hope you get the chance also. cool.gif



Klipsch RB-75
Klipsch C-7
Klipsch RB-35
On-going SW management class
Denon
PS3
steve nn is offline  
 

Tags
Hsu Vtf 15h Subwoofer , Svs Pb1000 10 Inch 300 Watt Powered Subwoofer
Thread Tools


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off