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First of all my current sub is a lv12r which IMO is a VERY nice sub for its price and woofer size. When I moved my listening room was enlarged to about 16x22. The lv12r would be enough for many even in a room this size but its not enough to produce "thunderous bass" ibwould say it can produce "heavy" bass in A room that size (no treatments) but that's as far as ibwould go.

I now realize that my best option would have been to buy the PsA xv15 and then another down the line and for around 1500 bucks I would have been done or at least satisfied.

If I were to buy a fv15hp and blend it with my lv12r ( which Dave of ascend said they would blend well even with different woofer size) I'd be in around 2k dollars and I'm sure then I'd have enough bass and very clean bass at that. This is where I'm having a hard time... I keep hearing the fv15hp is going to be out of production before long and a new 12inch model will take its place(I'm not sure how true this is) but I don't want to buy something that is getting discontinued ya know..?

Also I could sell my lv12r all together and take a loss on it. One thing that helps is that its in mint condition and its black which is out of stock due to high demand for at least 6 months. So I'd imagine it would have much more appeal to those who are looking for that color hence being more valuable and easier to sell.

I'm looking for some pretty hard hitting bass that's gona rock my room.

To get an idea of what ballpark I'm in I have look into the subs as small as the xv15 and as large as the captivator 1000. Also yes I would eventually be buying two.

What would u guys do? Stay rythmimk or sell lv12r and find to matching subs? I'd even be intrested in selling lv12r and still staying with rythmik depending on there plan as far as phasing out the fv15hp and if so seeing what will take its place.

If nothing is getting phased out though I'm feeling my best option for the $$$ would be just buy the fv15hp and blend with lv12r.

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Don't try to blend the FV15HP with the FV12, the FV12 can do nothing but add distortion alongside a FV15HP. I would just keep it simple and go for two FV15HPs. That should give you some pretty amazing bass. Above that I would go for Funk, JTR, or Submersives. If you can do a bit of DIY, you could get some pretty heavy duty subs for half the price of these commercial subs.
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Don't try to blend the FV15HP with the FV12, the FV12 can do nothing but add distortion alongside a FV15HP. I would just keep it simple and go for two FV15HPs. That should give you some pretty amazing bass. Above that I would go for Funk, JTR, or Submersives. If you can do a bit of DIY, you could get some pretty heavy duty subs for half the price of these commercial subs.

I don't have a fv12 its a lv12r

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What shadyJ said about the FV12 applies to the LV12r as well. The FV15 is getting discontinued, not the FV15HP. Duals would be awesome, although two XV15's would be a great choice as well at nearly half the price. You would give up around 6-8db of headroom with the PSAs but they'll easily dig to 15hz at reference levels in your space.
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Okay so ill cross the blending if the lv12r with any larger sub off the list

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Ya I'm just not sure the the fv15hp would be worth the difference in price..

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If output is the goal, dual PSA or Outlaws will do the trick smile.gif
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Ya I'm just not sure the the fv15hp would be worth the difference in price..

It depends how important the tuning options, amp features and the extra output and extension of the FV15HP are to you. If you don't plan to use any of the extra features and useful output at 10-12hz isn't needed, then the XV15 will be much better value. Otherwise, save and pony up for the Rythmik.
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When it comes movies output for me. Isdef number one, however I love the articulant sound of the ported servo driven rythmik when listening to music. I just wonder how much cleaner the rythmik really is then the psa

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Check the numbers at data-bass.com and you'll see that the THD and decay times of both subs are similar, which means you can expect similar sound quality from the two.
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^this and josh ricci measured solid output down to 12.5hz in room with the xv15...so it extends fairly deep as well.

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If you keep the Rythmik LV12R, AND, If you can place it nearfield, (within 4 feet of the listening position), you could probably just add an FV15HP placed up front. I really like Power Sound Audio, however, why put yourself in the position of forever wondering what the Rythmik Servo (FV15 HP) would sound like?
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If you keep the Rythmik LV12R, AND, If you can place it nearfield, (within 4 feet of the listening position), you could probably just add an FV15HP placed up front. I really like Power Sound Audio, however, why put yourself in the position of forever wondering what the Rythmik Servo (FV15 HP) would sound like?

I should have specified earlier but yes the plan would be move the lv12r to back of the room next to the couch which would be about 4 feet from main LP. Its a hard decission to make. I just don't know.... ughhh

Good thig I have about 8 weeks to decide cause I'm gona need it hahha

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Also for the about the same price as two fv15hps I could have two xv30s for just a bit bit more. Bit that might be to much anyway

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Right now there are two options.

Sell lv12r and buy two xv15s or...

Buy one fv15hp and blend it with lv12r and if I didn't like that I could then sell the lv12r and buy a second fv15hp (kind
Da leaning towards that but its still early and keeping all options open.

Another thing about staying with rythmik I like is buying from Dave f as he has been phenominal with customer service and always sends email replays within 24 hours and I mean ALWAYS

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In the past, weren't you considering DIY? You could build two kick ass subs for what the FV15HP costs smile.gif

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Late last year I attended the get-to-gether in eastern Pennsylvania. The FV 15HP was killer if I remember correctly. The professional testing also revealed excellent performance.
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Yes but that idea is going aways as I'm now a linemans apprentice (another reason I had to stop riding dirtbikes and make my new hobby home audio.. I don't get hurt as much) lol. Starting September 1st ill be working 7-12s (84 hours per week) and very little lay off time. Quite frankly I'll have more money than ill know what to do with but no time at all for myslef. That's why its looking more like DIY is no longer an options. It might be years before I'd even be able to start a project.

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Another thing i should mention is that I seriously want this be my final purchase for a while. So going overboard this time is the name of the game

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Right now there are two options.

Sell lv12r and buy two xv15s or...

Buy one fv15hp and blend it with lv12r and if I didn't like that I could then sell the lv12r and buy a second fv15hp (kind
Da leaning towards that but its still early and keeping all options open.

Both would be great options except to say I’m not crazy about mixing subs.. not saying it can’t be done. You’re thinking about swapping the LVR down the road has good merit imo. Anyway there’s the dual driver PSA rout to consider. You could do one now and one latter like you already suggested. As far as the buying experience goes, Tom V is one of the best to work with. He is very highly regarded by those that have done business with him. I have bought many SW's from him so I only would concur with what others have had to say regarding the subject.
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Right now there are two options.

Sell lv12r and buy two xv15s or...

Buy one fv15hp and blend it with lv12r and if I didn't like that I could then sell the lv12r and buy a second fv15hp (kind
Da leaning towards that but its still early and keeping all options open.

Another thing about staying with rythmik I like is buying from Dave f as he has been phenominal with customer service and always sends email replays within 24 hours and I mean ALWAYS

This all boils down to budget and goals...imo multiple subs is where its at. I would figure out a budget and plan on a minimum of 3 subs(4 would be best). Yea one or two subs can be eq'd flat, but all that does kill headroom and lower sound quality at higher volumes.

For example this is what my response looks like:

2 xv15's no eq crossed at 80hz 12db per octave slope



2 xv15's eq'd flat which resulted in 7-8db loss of output.



3 xv15's no eq crossed at 80hz cascading sub crossover 24db per octave slope




I would rather have 3 LV12's or 3 XV15's before going with a higher end dual sub setup. Now if you can pony up the cash for Triple FV15HP's then that would be sweet. Also as mention DIY becomes a great option here aswell to keep cost down. If you look at all the members with killer systems on this forum there is a reason why they use multiple subwoofers.

Here is the steps that should be considered based from what I have learned on this forum for building a nice sub system

1) Figure out a budget

2) Purchase or build as many subs you can fit in the budget and have room for

3) Measuring gear should be a priority for properly integrating the subs

4) After hours of moving subs around and measuring to find the best response, then further analysis of your graphs will determine if extra measures need to be taken.

5) If your response is still lacking, now would be a good time to consider room treatments if there is no WAF factor

6) EQ...this should be the last option to consider if all else above does not give you the response you are looking for

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Great info in a short time guys thanks!!!

How would two fv15hps compare to 2 xv30fs?

Imagine dual xv30s front and dual xv15s front! That would be awsome

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I'm still leaning towards the fv15hp. Maybe just get two right away for a discount. Put them in the front of my room and see what happens when I put the lv12r in the back?

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I'm still leaning towards the fv15hp. Maybe just get two right away for a discount. Put them in the front of my room and see what happens when I put the lv12r in the back?
I would go with matching subs imo...I do think the FV15HP is probably the best sub out of everything mentioned in this thread. However I am extremely happy with my Tri XV15 setup, definatelty not at the FV15HP level but not near the cost either. 3 XV15's set me back about 2250.00, thats roughly 300.00 less than dual FV15HP's. Again were back to that budget thingy.
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I think the FV15HP would be better. It has a better driver that can play with more linearity and more control. You can have a dozen or a hundred PSA subs, but I don't think they are going to have the cone control that the Rythmik does because of their drivers, so as far as sound quality goes, it doesn't matter how many drivers they stuff into a box. A really good driver isn't just going to get you more output, it will also give you a tighter grip in the voice coil. To put it another way, you need about two XV15's to equal a FV15HP in output alone. But two XV15s will carry with them the same amount of distortion, compression, and non-linearity, all of which are substantially worse than that measured in the FV15HP.

And like I said, trying to run a LV12 with a monster like the FV15HP isn't going to do your system any favors on the whole. It just doesn't have enough power to make an appreciable contribution to that kind of setup, and will likely just end up adding unneeded distortion. It can't help, it will only hurt. It probably has a less accurate driver and will only make the overall sound less sharp than it could be.
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I think the FV15HP would be better. It has a better driver that can play with more linearity and more control. You can have a dozen or a hundred PSA subs, but I don't think they are going to have the cone control that the Rythmik does because of their drivers, so as far as sound quality goes, it doesn't matter how many drivers they stuff into a box. A really good driver isn't just going to get you more output, it will also give you a tighter grip in the voice coil. To put it another way, you need about two XV15's to equal a FV15HP in output alone. But two XV15s will carry with them the same amount of distortion, compression, and non-linearity, all of which are substantially worse than that measured in the FV15HP.

And like I said, trying to run a LV12 with a monster like the FV15HP isn't going to do your system any favors on the whole. It just doesn't have enough power to make an appreciable contribution to that kind of setup, and will likely just end up adding unneeded distortion. It can't help, it will only hurt. It probably has a less accurate driver and will only make the overall sound less sharp than it could be.

The XV15 has a pretty nice driver and when you compare the graphs on ricci site they look pretty similar for sound quality goes. I agree the FV15HP is a better sub and has more output down low, but in the midbass region they are fairly close.

I am not going to get in a pissing match over this...most here know you do not like PSA, we get it.
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But two XV15s will carry with them the same amount of distortion, compression, and non-linearity, all of which are substantially worse than that measured in the FV15HP.

Do you have a link to these measurements? The only comparable measurements I've seen are Josh Ricci's numbers, and the distortion, compression and decay rates for both subs are in the same ballpark. If there are other measurements that show the FV15HP to be clearly ahead of the XV15 on these "sound quality" metrics, please do share them.
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