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have been researching websites and searching threads here for some time and finally decided I need to join up to get specific advice.

small room/office space, 12x12x8, with computer audio system that consists of a HP Pavilion Entertainment PC, Audioengine D1 DAC, Audioengine N22 integrated amp, Polk RTi 4 speakers and a Yamaha YST-SW45 sub. looking to upgrade sub as I recently upgraded speakers from M-Audio AV40.

I know by saying there are size limitations is setting me up for failure, but I have no other choice in this small space as evidence in the size of the YST-SW45. need about a 12 inch cube for the space available next to my desk on floor. right now not much fits that bill except Bic V-80, NHT Super 8, Audioengine S8, Yamaha YST-SW215, Jamo 210, but cannot justify $350 for some of these. the Hsu STF-1 is too deep and has rear port which would be against wall. would like to keep cost down around $200 if at all possible and still get decent sound for music use only.

can not entertain the idea of a large, less expensive sub like Dayton 12, BIC F-12 or Klipsch RW12D as I do not have the space to fit it and also live in town home and share two walls. my HT sub and setup is an M&K MX-100 turned way down with Polk monitor 40's up front and monitor 30's in rear, CS-1 center channel, Yamaha RXV-3000 and Sony ES DVP S9000. this is not much, but will shake the entire town home block if turned up too much. my one neighbor on the side of my office space has said she hears the bass of the YST-SW45!

looking for any recommendations for a small sub with higher quality sound for music only at a reasonable cost. and none of those overpriced 6.5 inch subs from the Klipsch Group of companies...no thank you.

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looking for any recommendations for a small sub with higher quality sound for music only at a reasonable cost.

Budget?? Btw higher quality doesn't come cheap

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mentioned around $200 in my post. yes, I certainly understand that. if I had the space and $$$ I would go SVS SB1000
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+1 for the Outlaw Audio M8. Here's a review: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20042164-47.html

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thanks for some of these recommendations. really appreciate it as I missed some of these.

will have to take a closer look at the Dayton 8, the 10 is too big. not very familiar with Dayton. will also take look at ML 300. unfortunately the Mordaunt-Short appears to be in the cherry finish only and does not match rest of home furnishings and the sub will sit out in space. not approved by the wife.

I believe the Outlaw 8 is the same exact sub as the Atlantic Technology SB 900DF, but has the dimensions needed. little pricey for small sub.

what if I set my budget ceiling at $300...any other contenders I need to consider aside from the ones mentioned here.

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ok, due to the size constraints...12 inch width, have narrowed choices to the following list:

- Jamo 210
- Yamaha YST-SW215
- Bic V-80
- AudioEngine S8
- NHT Super 8
- Dayton 8
- Outlaw/Atlantic Tech M8
- Dayton 800
- ML 300
- Energy ESW-8

anyone have any experience with any of these tiny subs and how they perform in a small, near field, music only listening space?

thanks in advance for any recommendations.
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I would get the HSU STF-1.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-1.html

Only 11 inches wide. Excellent reviews. Dr Hsu most likely designed the Outlaw M8 which is fairly similar. I would go with the STF-1 unless you can get the M8 for significantly less than the STF-1.
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the STF-1 was my first thought, but my concern is its rear port being too close to the wall with 15 inch depth per my original post. would like to have a least 12 inches from wall with a rear port and that is not possible in this space.
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any of the ones I listed above I should at least avoid?
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the STF-1 was my first thought, but my concern is its rear port being too close to the wall with 15 inch depth per my original post. would like to have a least 12 inches from wall with a rear port and that is not possible in this space.

You only need ~3 in. of clearance per the manual. Sorry don't know anything about the other subs.
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I believe the Outlaw 8 is the same exact sub as the Atlantic Technology SB 900DF, but has the dimensions needed. little pricey for small sub.

The dimensions are different and the rated frequency response is different, but the subs and their amps look very similar. Outlaw is selling Atlantic Tech speakers now, so maybe they are "sharing" products. You could always ask in the Outlaw owners thread to see if anyone can verify this.

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You only need ~3 in. of clearance per the manual. Sorry don't know anything about the other subs.

I have always used the diameter of the port as the distance from a wall. You are correct, you don't have to stick the sub out in the room, lol.
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+1 for the Outlaw Audio M8. Here's a review: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20042164-47.html
+2 I would get it over the stf-1.

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thank you for all of the suggestions so far. I am researching info on the Outlaw/Atlantic Tech sub twins. would like to know the connection here with the M8 and SB-900DF/SB-900 as the Atlantic may be had for less $$$ than the Outlaw and all 3 will fit my space perfectly.

you will have to forgive me as I am a relative noob to subs. bought my M&K MX-100 from new back in like 1992 and that is the only true sub I have ever owned. it has only been used for movies and TV for the 20+ years I have owned it. the YST-SW45 I am using now with my computer music system was left in the house by the previous owner. never thought about using a sub until I started using this little bass module. my main music system in my bedroom consists of and Adcom GFA-555, Adcom GCD-700 and KEF C-85. never felt the need for a sub there.

thanks again for all the recommendations and your patience with me.
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thank you for all of the suggestions so far. I am researching info on the Outlaw/Atlantic Tech sub twins. would like to know the connection here with the M8 and SB-900DF/SB-900 as the Atlantic may be had for less $$$ than the Outlaw and all 3 will fit my space perfectly.

you will have to forgive me as I am a relative noob to subs. bought my M&K MX-100 from new back in like 1992 and that is the only true sub I have ever owned. it has only been used for movies and TV for the 20+ years I have owned it. the YST-SW45 I am using now with my computer music system was left in the house by the previous owner. never thought about using a sub until I started using this little bass module. my main music system in my bedroom consists of and Adcom GFA-100, Adcom GCD-700 and KEF C-85. never felt the need for a sub there.

thanks again for all the recommendations and your patience with me.
Did you post your question in the Outlaw Owners thread here? Can you post a link to the Atlantics?

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http://outlawaudio.com/products/m8.html

http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=164

have not posted in Outlaw thread, but unless I am missing something, these subs are twins. kind of like what Klipsch Group does with sharing identical products between divisions. I see no real difference between the M8 and the SB-900DF. wonder if the front firing version is also identical in components used.
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As I pointed out, the rated frequency response is different. It's always possible that the AT is sourcing the same enclosure and amp and putting a slightly different driver in it.

However, note that the AT WA-50 wireless transmitter depicted on that page looks specially like the OA OAW3 wireless as well.

http://shop.atlantictechnology.com/p/wa-50-sys-wireless-transmitter-receiver-system-free-shipping
http://outlawaudio.com/products/OAW3.html

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called AT and the SB-900/SB-900DF and M8 are basically the same units for all intents and purposes as told to me. no big deal, Klipsch Group re-brands all of their stuff like the Energy EW-100 and Klipsch KW-100.

the HSU STF-1 is on sale for $279.
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called AT and the SB-900/SB-900DF and M8 are basically the same units for all intents and purposes as told to me. no big deal, Klipsch Group re-brands all of their stuff like the Energy EW-100 and Klipsch KW-100.

the HSU STF-1 is on sale for $279.

Thanks for confirming that.

I think if you can get the M8/SB-900/SB-900DF for less than $279, go with them. Otherwise, get the STF-1. I would bet that any of those would make you happy smile.gif

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Thanks for confirming that.

I think if you can get the M8/SB-900/SB-900DF for less than $279, go with them. Otherwise, get the STF-1. I would bet that any of those would make you happy smile.gif

thanks for the recommendation as this is only my 2nd sub purchase in 20+ years.

quick question, would forward firing be better since I am only using for music and it is a tight space in corner against two walls? will bottom firing be more boomy, or does it not matter for bass frequencies?

my M&K MX-100 is dual 12's in a push-pull configuration, but basically forward firing. only really use this for movies and TV, very little music...if any.

thanks again for everyones help in pointing me in the right direction. just want to make a good choice for this rather specific application.
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quick question, would forward firing be better since I am only using for music and it is a tight space in corner against two walls? will bottom firing be more boomy, or does it not matter for bass frequencies?

The downfiring will be fine. Lot of people corner load downfiring subs (or any sub for that matter) because it can give you extra bass reinforcement.

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Bass waves are omnidirectional so driver orientation does not make much difference. However It has been said down firing can help mask harmonics and reduce localization in a near-field environment.
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The downfiring will be fine. Lot of people corner load downfiring subs (or any sub for that matter) because it can give you extra bass reinforcement.

certainly do not need "extra" bass if neighbor can hear that little YST-SW45. just looking for best sound quality for music at this size and price point. thanks again!
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Bass waves are omnidirectional so driver orientation does not make much difference. However It has been said down firing can help mask harmonics and reduce localization in a near-field environment.

thanks for the advice. this is certainly a "near field" environment.

originally thought my AV-40's were enough by themselves until I added the YST-SW45 and then upgraded to Polk RTi 4's. now time to upgrade the bass module to a quality, entry level, small sub. maybe this will "finish" this system...for now.
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certainly do not need "extra" bass if neighbor can hear that little YST-SW45. just looking for best sound quality for music at this size and price point. thanks again!

You can always dial the gain (volume) back on the sub smile.gif

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You can always dial the gain (volume) back on the sub smile.gif

that is what I have to do with my M&K and even this little YST-SW45, so no worries.

just need to decide what I want to spend...$300 or $100. also need new slider doors for my deck. always something to spend $$$ on.
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what about this one? on sale for a good price. was not even considering a 10 inch because of the width constraints. how would this stack up against those already recommended? anyone heard or have one?

http://www.newaudiovideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_34&products_id=8609
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what about this one? on sale for a good price. was not even considering a 10 inch because of the width constraints. how would this stack up against those already recommended? anyone heard or have one?

http://www.newaudiovideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35_34&products_id=8609


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