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Well my trusty 12 yr old Velodyne HGS-18 has recently died on me and I am looking for a replacement. My newer dedicated media room is only a 1400 CU FT (14'x11'x9') room so I am thinking that I just do not need a new sub as large as the HGS-18 I had prior. My primary listening is for movies and I do not listen to music at all in this room. I love heavy bass soundtracks and watch alot of action movies.

Budget is $2,000 max but I would like to stay well under this if possible. So far the SVS SB13-Ultra has caught my attention and am wondering what else I should consider given my budget and room specs. Would the SB13-Ultra feel like a downgrade from my older 18" Velodyne?

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I would Look at the Power Sound Audio XS30. you could get duals for 21xx.00 shipped.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xs30
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Basshead81, thanks I will look into the XS30. However I just don't think I have the floor real estate in my small room for dual subs.

Can anyone give me a frame of reference of what I might experience going from the older 18" Velodyne to something like an XS30 or SVS SB13-Ultra?

I feel confident making a decision solely on reviews and user opinions, however I just don't want to feel like I have lost any low end (umph) in this transition to a new sub....
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Basshead81, thanks I will look into the XS30. However I just don't think I have the floor real estate in my small room for dual subs.

Can anyone give me a frame of reference of what I might experience going from the older 18" Velodyne to something like an XS30 or SVS SB13-Ultra?

I feel confident making a decision solely on reviews and user opinions, however I just don't want to feel like I have lost any low end (umph) in this transition to a new sub....

You wont lose anything. a single XS30 will dig down in the 7-10hz range in your room.
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Is it a sealed room, Rythmik F15HP would be more than enough in that room. You might be better off aesthetically with 2 smaller 12 inch sealed subwoofers.

Check out this site for some comparison, there is a couple of Velos in there for reference

http://www.data-bass.com/systems
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Is it a sealed room, Rythmik F15HP would be enough in that room

Check out this site for some comparison, there is a couple of Velos in there for reference

http://www.data-bass.com/systems

The room is mostly sealed but there are double doors in the rear, which are closed during critical viewing. I do not have any acoustic dampening in the room if that is what you meant.
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The XS30 is a better buy than the F15HP Imo. A better comparison would be the F25.
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but thats too big. maybe FV15HP ? .
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The XS30 is a better buy than the F15HP Imo. A better comparison would be the F25.
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but thats too big. maybe FV15HP ? .

If you think a XS30 is too big the FV15HP is even bigger.
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I might be able to squeeze two 12" sub's in my room. I have never experienced a multiple sub configuration so I am not sure what to expect or how it will sound better...
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The HGS-18 is a fine sub. Have you considered repairing it? A replacement amp should be less than $400. I believe that's the usual fix for these.
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but thats too big. maybe FV15HP ? .

The XS30 is smaller than the FV15. I would not go ported in that small of a room. I know you like Rythmik, I do to, but imo the PSA XS30 is a killer sub.
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How would you compare the XS30 versus the SVS SB13-Ultra in my room?
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Two F15HPs would be a great system, but it would go over budget. Boost your budget by $500, and you can get a Funk 18.0. Like your HGS-18 it is a sealed 18", but the Funk has a much more powerful driver and amplifier. It has recently received a terrific review from audioholics with some great measurements. You might think of it as a 'super' HGS 18.
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Two F15HPs would be a great system, but it would go over budget. Boost your budget by $500, and you can get a Funk 18.0. Like your HGS-18 it is a sealed 18", but the Funk has a much more powerful driver and amplifier. It has recently received a terrific review from audioholics with some great measurements. You might think of it as a 'super' HGS 18.

Shady - but do I really "need" that large of a sub in my small media room that is only 1,400 cu feet? I just wanted something ideally suited to my room but that will also rock the house in movies.
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Two F15HPs would be a great system, but it would go over budget. Boost your budget by $500, and you can get a Funk 18.0. Like your HGS-18 it is a sealed 18", but the Funk has a much more powerful driver and amplifier. It has recently received a terrific review from audioholics with some great measurements. You might think of it as a 'super' HGS 18.

Anything but PSA huh Shady....the XS30 would match the performance of the 18.0 for alot less coin. Let me guess you are going to claim no way because of the cheap drivers?
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A ported 12, 2 sealed 12 or a single 15 should provide you with all the LFE happiness that you need......

You may not need a big sub, a single ported 12 may work for you, but your coming from an 18 incher. So a smaller sub may not cut it.... psychologically smile.gif
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How would you compare the XS30 versus the SVS SB13-Ultra in my room?



It would take almost 2 sb13 to equal 1 xs30.
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It's hard to directly compare the XS30 to a Funk 18.0, I mean lets not kid ourselves I would have to say it defiantly has a better driver. But at the same time I would think that a XS30 would compare fairly well and two for the price of one 18.0 would defiantly have more output. Hell you could buy two XS30's with a nice veneer finish and still save over $600.
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Shady - but do I really "need" that large of a sub in my small media room that is only 1,400 cu feet? I just wanted something ideally suited to my room but that will also rock the house in movies.
FYI we do have our smaller 18.0C, also on databass. If you compare it to the sealed mode pb13(the pb13sealed has a little more low end than the sb13) it has similar low end but much more mid/top end. That gives it great dynamics and very low distortion in the upper bass for great sound quality and punch. It has very similar sound characteristics as its bigger brother the 18.0(btw the 18.0 is on sale right now)

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Even a passive 18.0 would still cost more then dual XS30's once you factor in the amp the OP would need to buy and would still have less output.
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It's hard to directly compare the XS30 to a Funk 18.0, I mean lets not kid ourselves I would have to say it defiantly has a better driver. But at the same time I would think that a XS30 would compare fairly well and two for the price of one 18.0 would defiantly have more output. Hell you could buy two XS30's with a nice veneer finish and still save over $600.

Lookin at 18.0 numbers on data bass the xs30 numbers look very similar...107db ultra low bass and 122db low bass.
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Shady - but do I really "need" that large of a sub in my small media room that is only 1,400 cu feet? I just wanted something ideally suited to my room but that will also rock the house in movies.

It's about the same size as your HGS, it's not that large. It's probably lighter too, thanks to the neodymium magnet. Still, it will be a far higher performer. As for needing it, no one needs a subwoofer at all, but if you are going to spend the coin, might as well make it a great sub.
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Anything but PSA huh Shady....the XS30 would match the performance of the 18.0 for alot less coin. Let me guess you are going to claim no way because of the cheap drivers?

Outside of raw upper bass SPL, I would guess the XS30 is no way match for the 18.0, and I think even Tom V would admit to that. However, if your only criteria for evaluating a sub is lots of boom without control, the PSA subs will fit the bill nicely.
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It's about the same size as your HGS, it's not that large. It's probably lighter too, thanks to the neodymium magnet. Still, it will be a far higher performer. As for needing it, no one needs a subwoofer at all, but if you are going to spend the coin, might as well make it a great sub.
Outside of raw upper bass SPL, I would guess the XS30 is no way match for the 18.0, and I think even Tom V would admit to that. However, if your only criteria for evaluating a sub is lots of boom without control, the PSA subs will fit the bill nicely.

Lol now thats some funny **** there.
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It's about the same size as your HGS, it's not that large. It's probably lighter too, thanks to the neodymium magnet. Still, it will be a far higher performer. As for needing it, no one needs a subwoofer at all, but if you are going to spend the coin, might as well make it a great sub.
Outside of raw upper bass SPL, I would guess the XS30 is no way match for the 18.0, and I think even Tom V would admit to that. However, if your only criteria for evaluating a sub is lots of boom without control, the PSA subs will fit the bill nicely.

While I totally agree that the 18.0 will have more output then a XS30's I don't think it's going to have a lot more. But so it should considering the driver Nathan is using, that thing is a work of art.

But your last statement about lots of boom with no control is about as dumb as it gets, have you even heard a XS30 yet shady?
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While they argue on which is better, one 18 or two 15, Go get the Rythmik sealed F12 if you like music too, its 874 each or the ported Rythmik LV12R, its 589 each. you'll thank me later smile.gif
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While they argue on which is better, one 18 or two 15, Go get the Rythmik sealed F12 if you like music too, its 874 each or the ported Rythmik LV12R, its 589 each. you'll thank me later smile.gif

Whats he going to thank you for suggesting to downgrade? Fyi the F12 is 935.00 shipped.
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While I totally agree that the 18.0 will have more output then a XS30's I don't think it's going to have a lot more. But so it should considering the driver Nathan is using, that thing is a work of art.

But your last statement about lots of boom with no control is about as dumb as it gets, have you even heard a XS30 yet shady?

I would guess the 18.0 doesn't have a whole lot more output than the XS30, and that isn't really the point of comparison I am making. So if the 18.0 isn't absolutely stomping the XS30 in raw output, what then is the point of such a expensive and massive driver and amplifier? Why wouldn't all subwoofers use cheaper drivers to get big SPLs? Are Funk, JL Audio, SVS Ultras, TC sounds, et al. simply over priced?
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While they argue on which is better, one 18 or two 15, Go get the Rythmik sealed F12 if you like music too, its 874 each or the ported Rythmik LV12R, its 589 each. you'll thank me later smile.gif

OP has stated he does not intend to listen to music, just movies only.
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The Funk is a awsome sub and I would expect it to be another level above the XS30. However i was simply suggesting a sub that will maximize performance and still fall within the op's budget. The Funk is not in his budget so I am not sure why its even being mentioned.

The op also does not want to lose any performance, so I am not sure why the rythmik f12 or fv12 is being mentioned.

There are 2 sealed subs that fall within the op's budget that will out perform the velodyne 18 and that is the PSA XS30 and Rythmik F25...the F25 is huge, so I thought the XS30 was the best option.

Now instead of further cluttering the op's thread, why not offer suggestions that meet his criteria or stay out of his thread to avoid further confusion?
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