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post #2521 of 3184 Old 10-03-2014, 02:14 AM
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You can't drag and drop the files or what? (I'm using the newest Chrome. I don't know, works for me!)
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Hold on, didn't AVS take that feature out? I could not get it to work???
Looks like all we can do now is attach files to posts, which show up as thumbnails at the end of the post. To attach a file you drag'n'drop them in the "DRAG FILES HERE TO ATTACH!" box under the text editor. There doesn't seem to be a way to upload files and make them appear in-line or even to resize images for some reason

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Looks like all we can do now is attach files to posts, which show up as thumbnails at the end of the post. To attach a file you drag'n'drop them in the "DRAG FILES HERE TO ATTACH!" box under the text editor. There doesn't seem to be a way to upload files and make them appear in-line or even to resize images for some reason
Attach the file then select the url of that attached file and post it with (leave out quotes) ["img][/img"]. Simple but not as good as it used to be.

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Attach the file then select the url of that attached file and post it with (leave out quotes) ["img][/img"]. Simple but not as good as it used to be.
Will have to try that. So you end up with attached files with thumbnails at the bottom, *and* full-size inline pics?

Anyway definitely not as good as it once was.

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Will have to try that. So you end up with attached files with thumbnails at the bottom, *and* full-size inline pics?

Anyway definitely not as good as it once was.
Here is a thread made by my boy, LTD02 with pictures of the process. Do it once and it will seem extremely simple afterwards. Still not as simple as before but it's what works now and leaves a full sized picture in the post.

How to put an image in a post!

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Awesome Scott, thanks for the tip.

Didn't know LTD02 was your boy!

I guess I should reserve usernames for my kids right now

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Hahaha!

There is a reason we are so like minded.

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Hey Dom,

Do you think my score would change with my JTR 215's added to my 8 SI's? The 215's are rated to 18hz, when I measured them I was getting output to 12 hz!!! Doesn't matter though because I use a HPF on my inuke at 20hz.

They are supposed to have the same output as a ported Captivator, so it's like I've added 2 ported Caps to my 8 SI's. I know my score won't change at 10hz and 15 hz but man subjectively I have significantly more headroom especially since I only play the subs from 30hz and down now.
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http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer...svs-sb-pb-2000

PB-2000 CEA 2010 Results (2 meter RMS)
20Hz 103.8 dB
25Hz 107.6 dB
31.5Hz 109.6 dB
40Hz 110.1 dB
50Hz 110.5 dB
63Hz 111.5 dB

SB-2000 CEA 2010 Results (2 meter RMS)
20Hz 92.1 dB
25Hz 97.1 dB
31.5Hz 102.8 dB
40Hz 108.3 dB
50Hz 108.9 dB
63Hz 109.2 dB
Nice! I didn't realize that it had been reviewed. I'm surprised Josh didn't review it...perhaps too busy at the time.
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Yep very little difference between the PB12 and PB2000 in the 16-20hz range...maybe .5-.6db.

Also I think the XV15se numbers need a slight adjustment. Basically 2.4-2.5db less in the 16 & 20hz vs the XV30se. 99db 16hz & 107db 20hz.
Yup, will adjust the estimate to be .5-.6db difference. Didn't realize there wasn't much of a difference in the ULF range between the former PB12NSD. Good to know.

Regarding the XV15SE estimates, what I have down is directly from Tom V. See post below:

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Hey Dom,
So I was experimenting running my subs off a single Sanway 14K. I used to run the 8 IB3-18's of the 14K in bridged mode which I can not due anymore. So I hooked up the 4 drivers near field on one channel and the 8 front drivers on the other. The 4 drivers present a 4 ohm load and the front drivers a 2 ohm load. The funny thing is the 8 drivers in front represent a 6 dBs gain from the 4 in back but using the same gain levels on the amps(-10dbs, halfway), the levels were exactly the same. So my 4 subs in the back are the same sensitivity as my front 8. This tells me I lose about 6 dBs from distance. I have always thought I lost 12 dBs so this is a good thing. I will experiment more to figure out the port tune from the front.
Nice.

So are you still getting a separate amp for the nearfield or will you use the 14K? Let me know about the port tune...when you figure it out, post your sim of it, and I can update your ULF scores.
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Hey Dom,

Do you think my score would change with my JTR 215's added to my 8 SI's? The 215's are rated to 18hz, when I measured them I was getting output to 12 hz!!! Doesn't matter though because I use a HPF on my inuke at 20hz.

They are supposed to have the same output as a ported Captivator, so it's like I've added 2 ported Caps to my 8 SI's. I know my score won't change at 10hz and 15 hz but man subjectively I have significantly more headroom especially since I only play the subs from 30hz and down now.
Wait...these 215's have are supposed to be equal to a ported Cap each??? Wow...do you have a sim or any other info to read more about it?

If that's the case, I would definitely say yes, it would have an impact on your ULF score.
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Dom,
My response shows a huge peak at 6-7hz from the front wall and not from the back subs so I figure it has to be from the tune.
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In my basement HT I have IB line array 4 x 15" AE15 drivers, plus 2 SI sealed subs, 18" and 15", inputting them into the sheet gave the below.
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I re-did mine choosing a similar 15" sealed cab, numbers came down slightly like expected
Hey mtb! I'm updating the calculator, and just realized that you posted the same ULF cards here...

For the 15in SI, I'm just adding another AE IB15. Let me know if that works. Puts you at 522 from 16hz down, and 587 at 20hz.
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Nice.

Wait...these 215's have are supposed to be equal to a ported Cap each??? Wow...do you have a sim or any other info to read more about it?

If that's the case, I would definitely say yes, it would have an impact on your ULF score.

No, I don't have any other info. Here is a video I took that shows the tornado created similar to a ported Cap when pushed really hard:

Haha, you can see the bleach marks on the carpet where I attempted to clean during a GTG after spilling my drink. In my drunken state I chose poorly on the type of cleaner.



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Jeff states that they are just like a ported Cap per speaker. However, both Archaea and I think that the output is more similar to a ported passive cap powered by a behringer ep 4000. We say this because that was the setup that both he and I had for a long time. Later he upgraded to a Crown 5000 to power the caps. I have heard that setup in my room and I don't thinkg the 215's quite hang with that - the ep4000 comparison seems more likely. Either way the output from a full range speaker is nuts and a lot of fun.
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Here are my front and back sub sims.
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anyone want to take a stab and determining how that Royal Device setup would score?

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No, I don't have any other info. Here is a video I took that shows the tornado created similar to a ported Cap when pushed really hard:

Haha, you can see the bleach marks on the carpet where I attempted to clean during a GTG after spilling my drink. In my drunken state I chose poorly on the type of cleaner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPa0eGOwPI


These things are 6 feet tall, 2 inches deep and 17 inches wide 210 pounds.



Jeff states that they are just like a ported Cap per speaker. However, both Archaea and I think that the output is more similar to a ported passive cap powered by a behringer ep 4000. We say this because that was the setup that both he and I had for a long time. Later he upgraded to a Crown 5000 to power the caps. I have heard that setup in my room and I don't thinkg the 215's quite hang with that - the ep4000 comparison seems more likely. Either way the output from a full range speaker is nuts and a lot of fun.
Nice...some bada$$ speakers for sure!

I need to revise the estimated for the JTR subs because I think they are off. Once I do that, I'll estimate those 215's based on your impression of it with the EP4000.
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Here are my front and back sub sims.
So, for your front subs (IB), is that for all of them? For comparison purposes, it looks like your estimate at 12.5hz is around 114db (I subtracted 7db as that is how much the SI differs from its sim). That is Ricci's XXX Ported sub level of output...seems like it should be more than that, right?
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anyone want to take a stab and determining how that Royal Device setup would score?

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If you assume that 10hz was its tune, and its claimed 160db is groundplane and at tune...

One of those Royal Device subs would be equivalent of ~3600 18in SI drivers.

To recreate that in a sealed design using the 18in SIs and adequately powered, it would cost ~$1.4M!!! If you think about it like that, I doubt that took 1.4M to create....so what a bargain!

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It's so not capable of that. At all.
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If you assume that 10hz was its tune, and its claimed 160db is groundplane and at tune...

One of those Royal Device subs would be equivalent of ~3600 18in SI drivers.

To recreate that in a sealed design using the 18in SIs and adequately powered, it would cost ~$1.4M!!! If you think about it like that, I doubt that took 1.4M to create....so what a bargain!
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It's so not capable of that. At all.
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If that. Pretty optimistic figure. It could probably do something resembling that above 30hz.
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So, for your front subs (IB), is that for all of them? For comparison purposes, it looks like your estimate at 12.5hz is around 114db (I subtracted 7db as that is how much the SI differs from its sim). That is Ricci's XXX Ported sub level of output...seems like it should be more than that, right?

You are using the CEA burst numbers and the sims don't figure in distortion. The higher line is for the front wall and the lower spl line is for the 4 back. There is no way my front wall equals one xxx ported. My four subs in the back would at least equal the xxx ported around tune and much more everywhere else.
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Dom, all I did was port my old setup. My old setup could not be ported due to the IB designed motor. So I bought the equivalent output from SI(12) and ported the 8 and sealed the 4(near field). I have owned 4 LLT's with 13hz tune and this will blow them out of the water.
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MKtheater what size are the ported boxes?
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It is one box, 230 cubes for the front wall. The back subs are 24 cubes each, or 48 cubes with 4 drivers.
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If that. Pretty optimistic figure. It could probably do something resembling that above 30hz.
The web page says the sub sensitivity is 120db @ 10hz @ 1w. So with the 400w he is using to power the sub should give you an SPL of 146db

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The web page says the sub sensitivity is 120db @ 10hz @ 1w. So with the 400w he is using to power the sub should give you an SPL of 146db
The only way that is possible is if the horn is loaded at 10hz which it could be with the size of it.
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