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Hello, I am new to the community. I recently had a Velodyne DLS4000 but since my move it no longer works. My question is this, I am debating on the Bic pl200 or Klipsch RW12d times 2 or a single Hsu Vtf3 mk4 or SVS pb12 nsd. Currently for my setup I have a room that is about 24 x 20, Panasonic TCP60St60 display, Mirage Omni Pristige speakers with Onkyo tx sr607 AV source and Sony Bdp-S580 player. I only watch movies and would extremely rarely listen to music on this setup. I am definitely not an audiophile by any means just a guy who googles a lot and wants to get the best bang for sound in my somewhat home theater room. Thanks.


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I am definitely not an audiophile by any means just a guy who googles a lot and wants to get the best bang for sound in my somewhat home theater room.

Dual RW-12D if you want to go with duals, which I think you must, considering your requirement.

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You might be able to get two PA-150s for $800 shipped, maybe. That would get you an incredible amount of output. Call up the guys at Acousticsounddesign and ask them if they would be willing to send you a pair of those PA-150s for $800 shipped. They might go for that, they are definitely willing to bargain. The only problem is they will make you want to upgrade your speakers.
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The PA150's look great, I found them on Overstock for 797 shipping included for two of them, but saw that a few years ago around May 12 they were dropped to 299 at Sounddistributors. I was also thinking that whatever sub/s I do get I probably should get the Aurelex Gramma acoustic thingy for them. You don't think that 2 15's would be too much? I don't usually crank it, but usually listen at a good level that I can feel it and not bother my family.
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There are mixed reviews about the gramma. dual subs are preferred as a single can not effictively smooth room modes and standing waves. Duals will offer a smoother response and sound better...also more headroom is a good thing. 2 subs do not have to work as hard to achieve the same spl as a single, so the sound quality will be better.
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There are mixed reviews about the gramma. dual subs are preferred as a single can not effictively smooth room modes and standing waves. Duals will offer a smoother response and sound better...also more headroom is a good thing. 2 subs do not have to work as hard to achieve the same spl as a single, so the sound quality will be better.

+1 ..... OP, think of it if you were to lug JTR OS up the stairs all by yourself. Two guys will share the load 50-50, 4 guys will cut the load by 75% wink.gif

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Are you planning to upgrade your speakers anytime soon? Nothing against your Mirage speakers (I have owned Nanosat and OMD speakers), but I don't see the point of spending a lot of money on subs to pair with micro-satellite speakers.

With that said, you could get dual Polk PSW505 12" subs for around $400. I use one for my secondary HT (only paid 180 for it), and it's decent for the price.
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Hello, I am new to the community. I recently had a Velodyne DLS4000 but since my move it no longer works. My question is this, I am debating on the Bic pl200 or Klipsch RW12d times 2 or a single Hsu Vtf3 mk4 or SVS pb12 nsd. Currently for my setup I have a room that is about 24 x 20, Panasonic TCP60St60 display, Mirage Omni Pristige speakers with Onkyo tx sr607 AV source and Sony Bdp-S580 player. I only watch movies and would extremely rarely listen to music on this setup. I am definitely not an audiophile by any means just a guy who googles a lot and wants to get the best bang for sound in my somewhat home theater room. Thanks.



Nothing bad with the speakers you have, but any of the subwoofers you listed could be overkill with those satellite speakers. Does not make any sense to me to put money in two subwoofers to fill that room when your speakers are not capable to do so. Now if your plan is to upgrade your speakers to bookshelf or towers, then two subwoofers is the way to go in that room.

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Recommendations to mate 2x 15", 87 pound subwoofers with a micro speaker system...

I have now seen it all here at AVS
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Recommendations to mate 2x 15", 87 pound subwoofers with a micro speaker system...

I have now seen it all here at AVS

Hey this is the subwoofer section(basshead land)....we worry about main speakers after the subs are purchased. tongue.gif
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The PA150's look great, I found them on Overstock for 797 shipping included for two of them, but saw that a few years ago around May 12 they were dropped to 299 at Sounddistributors. I was also thinking that whatever sub/s I do get I probably should get the Aurelex Gramma acoustic thingy for them. You don't think that 2 15's would be too much? I don't usually crank it, but usually listen at a good level that I can feel it and not bother my family.

You need to contact Sounddistributors or Acoustic Sound Design and ask what deal they would give you for two. Going rate on the make them an offer on Acoustic Sound Design is apparently $349. Maybe they'd give you a deal on two. smile.gif

However, I would agree with some of the others. This seems excessive to go with the micro satellites, unless you plan on upgrading your front speakers later on to full sized bookshelves/monitors.

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Something that may be more important than low freq. extension, which has gone unmentioned, is the ability of your subwoofer to perform well up over 100-120hz where the tiny satellites should be crossed over.

Does anyone have suggestions in that regard? I would think, since your sub will be more localizable at that frequency, you should find a sub you don't mind placing up front with your front speakers to tie the front soundstage together.
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Something that may be more important than low freq. extension, which has gone unmentioned, is the ability of your subwoofer to perform well up over 100-120hz where the tiny satellites should be crossed over.

Does anyone have suggestions in that regard? I would think, since your sub will be more localizable at that frequency, you should find a sub you don't mind placing up front with your front speakers to tie the front soundstage together.

Many (but not all) of the subs discussed here have pretty flat performance to well over 200 Hz. The PA-150 in particular has excellent upper bass performance, even surpassing that of the $2k SVS PB13.
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Hi, so to answer a few questions. I don't really plan on upgrading this setup because I will be retiring from the military in 3 years and have no idea where my next job will take me so I was hoping to use this setup for the time being. The two polks sound fine to me also if they are able to produce good sound for the money. Also I was hoping to place them up front on either side of the set up
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Also I was hoping to place them up front on either side of the set up

Or so you thought........ Multiple subs are the only speakers that break the symmetry. Their prowess is best exploited when placed asymmetrically!!! wink.gif

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