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Trying to pick a good subwoofer for the new home theater system at home. I have a an open floor plan so the living room is open to the dining room and kitchen. The living room is approximately 14 x 17. I'm looking for a subwoofer that hits hard for the action movies but also sounds clear when playing music. I've been look at the three models below. What do you guys think? Which one would work best, or should I be looking at a different one that may work better? I would like to stay in the same price range.

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What is your total subwoofer budget?

SVS Audio, HSU Research, Power Sound Audio, Outlaw Audio, and Rythmik Audio are all Internet direct subwoofer vendors that provide some of the best values. You'll see these brands recommended repeatedly in the subwoofer forum. Usually, these subs are equal or better to traditional speaker company brand subs that are twice the price MSRP.

Does your room open to other rooms? How tall are the ceilings? A sub "sees" the entire air space, so we need to know total room volume including other open spaces that are connected to make sure the sub is powerful enough.

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All three are a complete waste. For that kind of money PSA and HSU are quantum leaps better both for music and movies.

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What is your total subwoofer budget?

SVS Audio, HSU Research, Power Sound Audio, Outlaw Audio, and Rythmik Audio are all Internet direct subwoofer vendors that provide some of the best values. You'll see these brands recommended repeatedly in the subwoofer forum. Usually, these subs are equal or better to traditional speaker company brand subs that are twice the price MSRP.

Does your room open to other rooms? How tall are the ceilings? A sub "sees" the entire air space, so we need to know total room volume including other open spaces that are connected to make sure the sub is powerful enough.

The room is approximately 14 x 17 with 8 foot ceiling. The living room is open and leads to another room which is approximately 21 x 14. From those mentioned above which one in terms of sound quality and looks would you recommend? Also, what size do you think should be used?
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I use a supercube for my HT, it's great for movies and tv, really tight sound. It does get lost in loud music though.

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I use a supercube for my HT, it's great for movies and tv, really tight sound. It does get lost in loud music though.

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The room is approximately 14 x 17 with 8 foot ceiling. The living room is open and leads to another room which is approximately 21 x 14. From those mentioned above which one in terms of sound quality and looks would you recommend? Also, what size do you think should be used?

That's a lot of space. Definitely a powerful 12" ported sub at minimum if you want a good HT experience. And even then it's not an optimal choice. Something like the SuperCube you have listed or the 10" B&W sealed sub would be VERY ineffective in that size space.

My choice would be Power Sound Audio XV-15 or HSU VTF-15H. Be sure to check the dimensions. Those are big subs smile.gif

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My choice would be Power Sound Audio XV-15 or HSU VTF-15H. Be sure to check the dimensions. Those are big subs

+1.....and that's the bare minimum

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I agree. In the $800 range the XV-15 is tough to beat.
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That's a lot of space. Definitely a powerful 12" ported sub at minimum if you want a good HT experience. And even then it's not an optimal choice. Something like the SuperCube you have listed or the 10" B&W sealed sub would be VERY ineffective in that size space.

My choice would be Power Sound Audio XV-15 or HSU VTF-15H. Be sure to check the dimensions. Those are big subs smile.gif

Agreed! Both the HSU and PSA are very close performing. Brent Butterworth said the XV15 only measured .5 db less then the SVS PC13 Ultra in the 40-63hz and was only down 4db @ 20hz...not bad for 799.00 shipped! Also HSU now has CEA2010 numbers posted for all thier subs.

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max output mode-25hz

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max extension mode-16hz

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122.6db low bass

The guys at Sound and Vision claim to favor the VTF-15H for music when put into sealed mode. I have plugged the ports on my XV15's and noticed it tightened the bass up slightly, but I actually prefer the ports open for the type of music I listen to. Both are solid options imo. I think the XV15 is a better value, but the VTF-15 has more options. Kind of like comparing a Camaro to a Corvette...both have the horsepower, but the Vette is a bit more refined.

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Agreed! Both the HSU and PSA are very close performing. Brent Butterworth said the XV15 only measured .5 db less then the SVS PC13 Ultra in the 40-63hz and was only down 4db @ 20hz...not bad for 799.00 shipped!

Be careful comparing numbers like that. The HSU fan police will come in and say you can't do that. Those numbers make the XV-15 appear too close to the performance of the VTF-15H wink.gif

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If the OP is looking at those subs, he seems to be interested in smaller models. I wouldn't want Golden Ear, Deftech, or B&W subs. All are going to be dreadful. If you need to keep it small, this or this are the subs I would go with. If you can do a little bit of assembly yourself, ther is the kit versions here and here. On the other hand, if you can handle larger subs, check this guy out. I do think that would have a real edge over the PSA and Hsu subs. There is also a kit version of that here. Very easy to assemble kit.
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Which def tech model is it?

supercube 2000 plus the powered subs in the 8040's. Like i said, just a tad short in the music but great for movies.

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Thanks for all the great info guys! I was just looking into the sub yesterday and realized they are huge in term of dimensions. It does not fit where I would like to place it. Any suggest for a 12 inch sub which may fit where I would like to place it. The Power Sound Audio XV-15 and HSU VTF-15H appear to be great sub but they are just to big.
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What about the Outlaw LFM-1 EX? If not too big, it has measured output that is a little step below the XV-15. Still might be capable of giving you a good bit of bass smile.gif

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If the VTF15h and XV15 are too big, the LFM is probably going to be too big as well. I might look at the Hsu VTF2 or the Rythmik LV12, they are cut down in size. The SVS PB12 NSD is a bit smaller as well.
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SVS PC-12 Plus or since you were willing to waste $1800 on DefTech SC Reference, go for PC-13 Ultra instead.
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Thanks for all the great info guys! I was just looking into the sub yesterday and realized they are huge in term of dimensions. It does not fit where I would like to place it. Any suggest for a 12 inch sub which may fit where I would like to place it. The Power Sound Audio XV-15 and HSU VTF-15H appear to be great sub but they are just to big.

If you want big bass then you need a big sub...its simple physics that can not be cheated.
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So after doing some search I found some subs that would be a be fit per dimensions. Some of the other recommend were a bit big. What's the difference between down and front firing subs? Also, ported vs sealed. Is Dayton Audio any good? Which one of the below sub would you go with?

SVS SB-1000
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SVS PB12-NSD

HSU VTF-1 MK2

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The PB12 would have the deep bass around 20 Hz. The Dayton subs could possibly have a mid and upper bass advantage, especially the T1204A. If you are after deep bass rumble in action movies, you would probably be happier with the PB12. If you want punchy music, the Dayton Titanic 12" might please you more.
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So after doing some search I found some subs that would be a be fit per dimensions. Some of the other recommend were a bit big. What's the difference between down and front firing subs? Also, ported vs sealed. Is Dayton Audio any good? Which one of the below sub would you go with?

SVS SB-1000
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SVS PB12-NSD

HSU VTF-1 MK2

Dayton Audio RS1200A
Dayton Audio T1204A

If you have room for the PB12 you would have room for the PSA Xv15 as well or any of the SVS PC models at they only take up 17 square inches of floor space.

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If you have room for the PB12 you would have room for the PSA Xv15 as well or any of the SVS PC models at they only take up 17 square inches of floor space.

I just realized I put that one in by mistake. The depth at 22 is to big.
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I just realized I put that one in by mistake. The depth at 22 is to big.

I'd go with a SVS PC12 or PC12+ if you can afford it.

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