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Coolnewbie 09-23-2013 09:45 AM

I have a 3x5 meter condo living room (part of a larger open plan living/dining/kitchen) and was going to buy:

Amp: Denon 1713 or Onkyo 515
Speakers: All B&W 685
Sub: Boston Acoustics ASW250 or ASW650

I listened to the setup at a 3-meter distance to simulate the room. At first I did not think there was a difference between the two subs, though the salesman did not have any truly bass heavy files in his media player. He pointed out, though, that the 650 produces a deeper, more sophisticated bass that one can appreciate even if he does not plan to turn the volume all the way up in a smaller room. Listening again, I thought I heard what he was trying to point out.

Would you buy the 650 in this situation? Would there be any performance benefit in a relatively small space?

The store has a limited sub selection.

eljaycanuck 09-23-2013 02:01 PM

According to their respective product pages:
ASW250
- 10" driver
- 100W RMS amp
- 28-150Hz +/-3dB

ASW650
- 10" driver
- 300W RMS amp
- 28-150Hz +/-3dB

Something's not right with those specs - the 650 should play well below the 250. I'd take the 650 for your space. The 250 would probably be alright in a smaller, sealed room.

-- Edit --
According to the owner's manual for the subs, the 250 extends to 35Hz, not 28Hz. I'd definitely go with the 650.

Coolnewbie 09-23-2013 08:21 PM

Ok... how is this Boston Acoustics line of subs? Not sure what the peer subs are like.

Kini62 09-23-2013 08:40 PM

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Ok... how is this Boston Acoustics line of subs? Not sure what the peer subs are like.

How much you looking to spend? $500 or less and the SVS PB1000 is your best bet. More than that and the choices grow.

Coolnewbie 09-23-2013 11:49 PM

Ok what about the SVS is better?

eljaycanuck 09-24-2013 05:34 AM

The PB1000 will dig considerably deeper and, in all likelihood, play louder overall than the ASW650. (And it would thoroughly crush the ASW250.)

What is your budget? What are those B.A. subs selling for in Manila? You may not be able to get the PB-1000 for a comparable price, so its performance relative to the B.A. subs may be a moot point.

-- Edit --
I just checked SVS' website for international distributors. The one for the Philippines is MKC International. They list the PB-1000 for PHP 29,000 which, according to xe.com, equals ~$668 USD.

Coolnewbie 09-24-2013 06:55 AM

ASW250 is about 15k he said. 650 is about 25k. I tried Google but can't find reviews other than a general comment that Boston is a good company.

eljaycanuck 09-24-2013 07:07 AM

According to xe.com, PHP 4000 = ~$92 USD. IMO, the extension and output the PB-1000 will provide over the ASW650 is worth the extra $92. And SVS and its customer service are very well-regarded.

basshead81 09-24-2013 07:32 AM

Boston makes nice speakers, along with Klipsch,Polk, and Paradigm...however they can not match the performance vs value that Internet Direct sub companies bring to the table. smile.gif

Coolnewbie 09-24-2013 09:56 AM

How is SVS with music such as classical and jazz?

Also, is it worth it to get a bigger sub with a deeper bass even for a small room and a 3 meter listening distance? Or something like the PB1000 or ASW650 will be more than enough?

eljaycanuck 09-24-2013 10:07 AM

If you want the deeper bass, you need the sub that can deliver it. The PB-1000 can; the ASW650 can't. If the deeper bass isn't that important to you, the ASW650's extension and output will probably suffice for your purposes.

An alternative to the ported PB-1000 is its sealed and more-compact sibling, the SB-1000:
- 12" driver
- 300W RMS
- 24-260Hz +/-3dB

MKC has it listed for PHP 26,000 (or ~$23 USD more than the ASW650). I'd take it over the ASW650.

Coolnewbie 09-25-2013 12:06 PM

Would you even consider the PB12 or is that overkill?

basshead81 09-25-2013 12:35 PM

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Would you even consider the PB12 or is that overkill?

No that is a great sub to start with...it uses a better driver then the PB1000 and has a little better extension. However for the price of the PB12nsd you start getting into the range of some great performers such as the HSU VTF3 and PSA XV15. I think the PC12nsd is a better buy then the PB12, thats the sub I would go with in that price range.

Kini62 09-25-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

No that is a great sub to start with...it uses a better driver then the PB1000 and has a little better extension. However for the price of the PB12nsd you start getting into the range of some great performers such as the HSU VTF3 and PSA XV15. I think the PC12nsd is a better buy then the PB12, thats the sub I would go with in that price range.

Got to remember the OP is in the PI so chances of getting an HSU or PSA there for anywhere near the same price as the SVS is unlikely, plus no support either.

Coolnewbie 09-25-2013 04:46 PM

Yep, limited choices! But how do you choose cylinder ovee box sub?

steve nn 09-25-2013 05:13 PM

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Yep, limited choices! But how do you choose cylinder ovee box sub?

It boils down to what form factor do you like better? The PC has less of a footprint and is lighter. It is also taller though. The PB is heavier and has the larger footprint. No wrong choice here, same sub in a different package is all. It’s nice that you have a choice though.

Kini62 09-25-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coolnewbie View Post

Yep, limited choices! But how do you choose cylinder ovee box sub?

The PC should be less expensive and for the most part it's easier to place. I have the PC12+ which is the same diameter but about a foot taller in a small room (13x14). It's placed in the front right corner and to be honest you don't even notice it. I've had people walk through the room during the day and not even notice it's there.

You can even lay the PC on its side behind a sofa if you want. I really like the form factor. Frees up space in a small room.

Coolnewbie 09-25-2013 07:03 PM

Thanks... I know bass is nondirectional but all this never occurred to me!

basshead81 09-25-2013 07:07 PM

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Got to remember the OP is in the PI so chances of getting an HSU or PSA there for anywhere near the same price as the SVS is unlikely, plus no support either.

I take it you missed the last sentence of my post?


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