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If anyone goes quad around here it be me first lol. Man you know the only thing left that I could possibly do would be to go quad with the Triaxes biggrin.gif . If I did I would stack the 2nd pair on top of my first 2 up front. The only thing though that I would need to figure out is how to feed them enough power. With 2 I get some dimming of lights but im a little worried if 4 would start tripping the breaker. I only have a 15amp circuit for my whole setup. I suppose I could run a heavy gauge extension cord for a 2nd pair and tap into an outlet from a different circuit. Not sure though if i'd have to run it to the upper floor eek.gif

Hey Black, I just made the quad leap, not Triaxs but four XV15SEs, I can't believe you're running everything off a 15 amp breaker, I have two dedicated 20 amp breakers for my setup and I was worried! Try that little trick if you have a volt meter or multimeter, with the subs turned off measure your outlet voltage and then fire them up and push them a bit and then check your outlet while the subs are playing, if you get the same reading you got when they were off then you're OK. Having quad Triaxs stacked was a concept that PSA was considering and decided on the original Triax, imagine a cabinet with six drivers of the Triax's caliber eek.gif 450 pounds. Are you seriously thinking of going for quad Triaxs? I ran my own Romex 12 AWG and installed two twenty amp breakers and I'm no electrician, I would consider that before running long extension cords.
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Hey Black, I just made the quad leap, not Triaxs but four XV15SEs, I can't believe you're running everything off a 15 amp breaker, I have two dedicated 20 amp breakers for my setup and I was worried! Try that little trick if you have a volt meter or multimeter, with the subs turned off measure your outlet voltage and then fire them up and push them a bit and then check your outlet while the subs are playing, if you get the same reading you got when they were off then you're OK. Having quad Triaxs stacked was a concept that PSA was considering and decided on the original Triax, imagine a cabinet with six drivers of the Triax's caliber eek.gif 450 pounds. Are you seriously thinking of going for quad Triaxs? I ran my own Romex 12 AWG and installed two twenty amp breakers and I'm no electrician, I would consider that before running long extension cords.
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Well im in the works with talking to another company here for work, if things go through then i'll have a bump in income smile.gif I'd say if I did go quad it'd be something that I could pull off in maybe 4 or 5 months as long as all my other goals stay in check. I have that monster conditioner that gives me a digital readout. Would that be something I could plug the subs into and see?

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No do not plugn the Triax's into a power conditioner.
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No do not plugn the Triax's into a power conditioner.

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Well im in the works with talking to another company here for work, if things go through then i'll have a bump in income smile.gif I'd say if I did go quad it'd be something that I could pull off in maybe 4 or 5 months as long as all my other goals stay in check. I have that monster conditioner that gives me a digital readout. Would that be something I could plug the subs into and see?

Good for you my friend, go for it. I don't think that Monster would do the job, go out and buy a cheap digital or analog multimeter, you can get them for under $15. You just want to see if and how much the voltage changes with the subs powered off and playing while being pushed, sometimes your receptacle could be under powering your components (subs). The voltage should stay the same for both powered down and powered on, blinking or dimming lights is an indicator of a lot of current or power draw on a circuit. You're probably fine, I don't want you to get all frantic over this but it's a good thing to know.
I can get real anal sometimes, I even went this far and will be doing it again soon as I add new components, it's not rocket science but I feel it's important. Here are a couple of good examples, different then the above test.
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These are good and not lengthy reads.
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Good for you my friend, go for it. I don't think that Monster would do the job, go out and buy a cheap digital or analog multimeter, you can get them for under $15. You just want to see if and how much the voltage changes with the subs powered off and playing while being pushed, sometimes your receptacle could be under powering your components (subs). The voltage should stay the same for both powered down and powered on, blinking or dimming lights is an indicator of a lot of current or power draw on a circuit. You're probably fine, I don't want you to get all frantic over this but it's a good thing to know.
I can get real anal sometimes, I even went this far and will be doing it again soon as I add new components, it's not rocket science but I feel it's important. Here are a couple of good examples, different then the above test.
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Well knowing how I like to crank these beasts, it's be a good idea to take this time and go over options to get more juice down here to the basement. I rent the house so i've got to find a way where I don't cut into anything like walls eek.gif

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Well knowing how I like to crank these beasts, it's be a good idea to take this time and go over options to get more juice down here to the basement. I rent the house so i've got to find a way where I don't cut into anything like walls eek.gif

I ran long heavy duty extensions cords for two of my Triax's so they each have their own circuit. Tom said that should be fine.

In fact 3 of my 4 (yep - quad Triax's) are on the own 20 amp circuit. The other one currently shares a 15 amp circuit with my avr and amps (and I think some stuff from my kitchen).

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Well knowing how I like to crank these beasts, it's be a good idea to take this time and go over options to get more juice down here to the basement. I rent the house so i've got to find a way where I don't cut into anything like walls eek.gif

Where's your breaker box, you need to find out everything that's on your circuit or breaker that you're using for your HT setup. Just plug a light into the receptacles around your setup and trip the breaker that your HT components are connected to and you'll see which outlets are actually being used with your main HT rig. I added a second dedicated 20 amp breaker and the four other outlets in my HT are all on the same breaker except for a small light fixture. The dedicated breaker is just that, dedicated to only the devices that I choose to put inline with them. I get light dimming too but it's not on my HT setup, it's on a different breaker, like when the refrigerators click on a light may flicker once in a while but this has nothing to do with my two breakers for my HT.

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I ran long heavy duty extensions cords for two of my Triax's so they each have their own circuit. Tom said that should be fine.

In fact 3 of my 4 (yep - quad Triax's) are on the own 20 amp circuit. The other one currently shares a 15 amp circuit with my avr and amps (and I think some stuff from my kitchen).

Heavy duty (homemade) extensions are great and will work fine, 10-12 AWG is usually reco'd and since you have the Triaxs (3) on a separate 20 amp circuit (breaker) you're good to go

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Well knowing how I like to crank these beasts, it's be a good idea to take this time and go over options to get more juice down here to the basement. I rent the house so i've got to find a way where I don't cut into anything like walls eek.gif

If you're going to run extension cords down to your basement you need to know what your running them from (what's on the circuit your cheating from) wink.gif

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I ran long heavy duty extensions cords for two of my Triax's so they each have their own circuit. Tom said that should be fine.

In fact 3 of my 4 (yep - quad Triax's) are on the own 20 amp circuit. The other one currently shares a 15 amp circuit with my avr and amps (and I think some stuff from my kitchen).

What's it like to have 1,000lbs of subs???eek.gif Together we can bring down the walls of China biggrin.gif

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Where's your breaker box, you need to find out everything that's on your circuit or breaker that you're using for your HT setup. Just plug a light into the receptacles around your setup and trip the breaker that your HT components are connected to and you'll see which outlets are actually being used with your main HT rig. I added a second dedicated 20 amp breaker and the four other outlets in my HT are all on the same breaker except for a small light fixture. The dedicated breaker is just that, dedicated to only the devices that I choose to put inline with them. I get light dimming too but it's not on my HT setup, it's on a different breaker, like when the refrigerators click on a light may flicker once in a while but this has nothing to do with my two breakers for my HT.

Well i'm in the basement and the fuse box is all the way outside in the garage. last time my Triaxes tripped the breaker was when I was doing a bass sweep and the circuit for my setup is basically a 15 amp that runs the whole basement down here. So my whole setup and my sisters room down here shares that same circuit.

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Upstairs theres alot of different circuits, I could run an extension cord up the corner of one of the front sides of my setups and through the ceiling. hmm i'll have to investigate, theres other rooms down here like a laundry room, maybe it's on a seperate circuit.

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Upstairs theres alot of different circuits, I could run an extension cord up the corner of one of the front sides of my setups and through the ceiling. hmm i'll have to investigate, theres other rooms down here like a laundry room, maybe it's on a seperate circuit.

It's more than likely that the laundry room is on a different breaker, probably has it's own breaker as appliances need that, it probably has it's own 20 amp breaker, you could cheat off that, just don't wash or dry clothes while watching or playing music, that seems like your best bet rather than going through the upstairs floor. You have a lot of stuff on that single breaker, I don't know how you're not tripping breakers especially at peak current draws. smile.gif
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It's more than likely that the laundry room is on a different breaker, probably has it's own breaker as appliances need that, it probably has it's own 20 amp breaker, you could cheat off that, just don't wash or dry clothes while watching or playing music, that seems like your best bet rather than going through the upstairs floor. You have a lot of stuff on that single breaker, I don't know how you're not tripping breakers especially at peak current draws. smile.gif
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I am pretty sure Tom mentioned that a breaker can temporarily pass several times it's rated amps for a few seconds before popping. Most big bass hits are quick. Mid he payed long sine waves it might be a different story. Also, I think the more subs you have the less each has to work and the less power they draw.

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Yeah bass sweeps are the only thing that's ever actually tripped my breaker. On movie night we cut the lights off and everything goes great. Man I need to make some new video clips, but I feel so lazy eek.gif

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Yeah bass sweeps are the only thing that's ever actually tripped my breaker. On movie night we cut the lights off and everything goes great. Man I need to make some new video clips, but I feel so lazy eek.gif
Might have to watch out with Lone Survivor at THX Reference. The loud 6-7Hz tone in the chopper scenes have already tripped numerous bass addicts breakers (including guys who have their multiple subs EACH running off a dedicated 20A circuit).


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Might have to watch out with Lone Survivor at THX Reference. The loud 6-7Hz tone in the chopper scenes have already tripped numerous bass addicts breakers (including guys who have their multiple subs EACH running off a dedicated 20A circuit).


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hmm did'nt know about that scene biggrin.gif Movie releases have been slow lately but in a couple of weeks i'll be cranking the new 300 movie, woohooo! Then The Raid 2 comes out.. offcourse lets not forget when Godzilla comes out on bluray hehehe there will be an earthquake in my town!!

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T-18s began shipping today, another batch already built ready to ship tomorrow. All back orders should be caught up by Monday.

Speakers will begin shipping tomorrow. We could have had some out today but we just don't want to rush any aspect of the first production/QC/boxing run.

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Are those going over seas Tom or did some in NA order some 230v 6000watt models?
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It's more than likely that the laundry room is on a different breaker, probably has it's own breaker as appliances need that, it probably has it's own 20 amp breaker, you could cheat off that, just don't wash or dry clothes while watching or playing music, that seems like your best bet rather than going through the upstairs floor. You have a lot of stuff on that single breaker, I don't know how you're not tripping breakers especially at peak current draws.
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I am pretty sure Tom mentioned that a breaker can temporarily pass several times it's rated amps for a few seconds before popping. Most big bass hits are quick. Mid he payed long sine waves it might be a different story. Also, I think the more subs you have the less each has to work and the less power they draw.
Correct. I'll attached a chart showing the typical load versus time information for common household circuits. A 20amp breaker can pass 60-80 amps for several seconds with no issues. When we consider the transient nature of music and film...it is pretty rare to run into any problems.

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Hi Joe,

These 3 are headed over seas. We have taken domestic 6000w orders in the past but there really isn't much point except for "bench racing" purposes. The differences between them are less than 1dB averaged from 10hz to 100hz and weighted to the upper bass were I doubt anyone is going to run into the limits with either amp..

Also, I'm frequently getting asked (chat, email, phone) if the new T-18 will blend well with the original Triax. The answer is definitely *yes*.

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Hi Joe,

These 3 are headed over seas. We have taken domestic 6000w orders in the past but there really isn't much point except for "bench racing" purposes. The differences between them are less than 1dB averaged from 10hz to 100hz and weighted to the upper bass were I doubt anyone is going to run into the limits with either amp..

Also, I'm frequently getting asked (chat, email, phone) if the new T-18 will blend well with the original Triax. The answer is definitely *yes*.

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I would think you'd probably have to maybe even run some limiters in the DSP with that monster amp so someone wouldn't damage the drivers as easily? That's a crap load of power for just about any driver on the market!...lol


Yes knowing how you and Jim are I would expect the new Triax-18 to blend perfectly well with anything you make!..lol I expect something less from you guys as usual..
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Correct. I'll attached a chart showing the typical load versus time information for common household circuits. A 20amp breaker can pass 60-80 amps for several seconds with no issues. When we consider the transient nature of music and film...it is pretty rare to run into any problems.

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I THOUGHT I attached the chart? My bad.

Anyway, this entire site is good reading, with the breaker chart near the top(shows a 30amp example)

http://www.kevinboone.net/cableselection_web.html

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I would think you'd probably have to maybe even run some limiters in the DSP with that monster amp so someone wouldn't damage the drivers as easily? That's a crap load of power for just about any driver on the market!...lol


Yes knowing how you and Jim are I would expect the new Triax-18 to blend perfectly well with anything you make!..lol I expect something less from you guys as usual..
It's always a fine balance between max output/impact and a system design that minimizes any chance of audible overload regardless of how hard it is pushed..

This is, perhaps, one of the most noticeable benefits of a DSP controlled amplifier.

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What are the quick specs on the T-18? 18inch version of the 15 triax? with 6,000 watt amp instead of 4,000? I didn't see it on the website yet. I just placed my order for dual JTR Orbit Shifters and would have considered these if I knew they were available.
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What are the quick specs on the T-18? 18inch version of the 15 triax? with 6,000 watt amp instead of 4,000? I didn't see it on the website yet. I just placed my order for dual JTR Orbit Shifters and would have considered these if I knew they were available.
The T-18's use the same 4KW amp, They are replacing the original Triax. As Tom mentioned there is no real output gain with the 6k version, which is used in countries with the 230/240v. They should perform close to the originals but are much lighter. So something like 160+down from 230 or so pounds.

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