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jbrown15's Avatar jbrown15
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I just ordered this to help get my Triax into place and move when needed. Anyone use this before?

http://www.amazon.com/EZ-Moves-Furniture-Moving-System/dp/B005FGAP7W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381368328&sr=8-2&keywords=Furniture+lift

You don't have any buddies willing to give you a hand moving it?
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You don't have any buddies willing to give you a hand moving it?

I have one volunteer.
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I have one volunteer.
We have that same kit. My wife bought it. We actually use it for our coffee table. We bought a new leather sofa and it has two recliners, so we put those sliders under the legs of the coffee table to move the table back and forth when we recline. They work well.
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We have that same kit. My wife bought it. We actually use it for our coffee table. We bought a new leather sofa and it has two recliners, so we put those sliders under the legs of the coffee table to move the table back and forth when we recline. They work well.

Thanks. smile.gif

Do you think the lifter will be adequate to lift the Triax enough to get the sliders under it?
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Do you think the lifter will be adequate to lift the Triax enough to get the sliders under it?

Depends on the quality of the beer and pizza. tongue.gif

(oh wait, you mean the leaver thingy)

One hand turned backwards should be able to lift the subwoofer sufficient to get sliders under the legs. A simple block of wood and a two foot piece of 1x2 would tip the subwoofer up as it wouldn't take but twenty-five to fifty pounds of downward force to tip the subwoofer up.

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I just ordered this to help get my Triax into place and move when needed. Anyone use this before?

http://www.amazon.com/EZ-Moves-Furniture-Moving-System/dp/B005FGAP7W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381368328&sr=8-2&keywords=Furniture+lift

I bought a set of these for my pair of XS30's. It came in extremely handy when I was running sweeps and finding placement for them. I have the outlaw wireless kit, along with a good extension cord, placement and setup was very easy with the sliders. They will work.
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Thanks. smile.gif

Do you think the lifter will be adequate to lift the Triax enough to get the sliders under it?
I don't think you will need the lifter to lift it. Honestly, I never used the lifter, just the sliders.
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We use the furniture sliders frequently on 650-700lb pool tables, so they should work fine for a 230lb sub.
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I don't think you will need the lifter to lift it. Honestly, I never used the lifter, just the sliders.

Lifter is overkill, agreed. I do not have this exact "kit".
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif

Ok I better bookmark that then. wink.gif
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

Where did you locate the new 2m information? So as to update the first post, I looked all over the PSA website and was not able to find your information. confused.gif
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif

Holy cow, if that's the case the Triax will officially knock the Paradigm Sub2 off as the top sealed commercial sub as soon a Josh Ricci tests one! (hopefully he tests one biggrin.gif)

Heck the Sub 2 can only muster 113.2dB for 20-31hz eek.gif
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif

That seems to fall more in line with Tom's description of improvements being "subtle".
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Lets not forget all about all of the doubters and haters (aka shadyJ...lol) that will come out and say "I'll believe it when I see some third party measurements" rolleyes.gif

Personally I think Tom and Jim have no reason to lie because they know that eventually someone like Josh will test it and the truth will come out anyways.
I 110% believe that under what ever 2m ground plane testing conditions they achieved these numbers under were the numbers the Triax actually hit with the new drivers.
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That seems to fall more in line with Tom's description of improvements being "subtle".

I agree but when he initially posted 125.35db 20-63hz, that is alot more then subtle compared to the 121.9db average of the original drivers. Thats all I was basing my info on...my apologies for thinking ahead. I was hyped up for you pre order folks that waited this whole time. It is still a solid upgrade none the less. smile.gif
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Holy cow, if that's the case the Triax will officially knock the Paradigm Sub2 off as the top sealed commercial sub as soon a Josh Ricci tests one! (hopefully he tests one biggrin.gif)

Heck the Sub 2 can only muster 113.2dB for 20-31hz eek.gif

For alot less money too! Thats getting up there with the folded horn subs...better add one to them XS30's lol.
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Lets not forget all about all of the doubters and haters (aka shadyJ...lol) that will come out and say "I'll believe it when I see some third party measurements" rolleyes.gif

Personally I think Tom and Jim have no reason to lie because they know that eventually someone like Josh will test it and the truth will come out anyways.
I 110% believe that under what ever 2m ground plane testing conditions they achieved these numbers under were the numbers the Triax actually hit with the new drivers.

Those are incredible numbers, look at those even compared to vented! No there is no way Tom fudged on the numbers, sounds like maybe you remember a post by Bill F regarding something like that. NOPE! not gonna happen.
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Old Triax Drivers: 2m rms

Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz): 116.4dB
Low bass (40-63Hz): 127.1dB

New Triax Drivers: 2m rms

Ultra-low bass (20-31.5 Hz): 117.8dB
Low bass (40-63Hz): 128.9dB


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Those are incredible numbers, look at those even compared to vented! No there is no way Tom fudged on the numbers, sounds like maybe you remember a post by Bill F regarding something like that. NOPE! not gonna happen.

LOL....possibly wink.gif
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif

117.8dB at 20-31Hz (2m) requires 3 x 800cm^2 Sd (15") drivers to each move 40mm one way (cleanly, of course). So we're in the ballpark with what physics says is possible, but it's probably a bit overstated comparable to Data-Bass numbers (just like the XV-15 was).

I'd knock that number down ~2dB, expecting somewhere around 30mm of clean throw one way.
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Looks like the Triax 2m rms data was updated.

20-31hz 117.8db

40-63hz 128.9db

20-63hz 123.35db

The 20-63hz average is down about 2db from Tom's initial post on the new drivers. I assume thats why he didnt update the info right away. Either way still looks to be about a 1.5db gain across the board...more is better smile.gif

If you don't convert to pascal (per CEA) before doing all of this you will end up with a completely different data set. Our current data set averages to about 125dB from 20-63hz which is within 0.4(?) of my last posting.

Tom V.
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117.8dB at 20-31Hz (2m) requires 3 x 800cm^2 Sd (15") drivers to each move 40mm one way (cleanly, of course). So we're in the ballpark with what physics says is possible, but it's probably a bit overstated comparable to Data-Bass numbers (just like the XV-15 was).

I'd knock that number down ~2dB, expecting somewhere around 30mm of clean throw one way.

Remember, the 117.8dB is an average of 20,25,31hz..

There's always going to be 0.5dB here or a dB there between test sessions.

Also, if you consider the differences in enclosure orientation for the XV15 the data is within 0.5 - 0.75dB which is really a tight tolerance. Anyone who has experience measuring outside would agree.

Tom Vodhanel
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Got the email I've been waiting for, my first Triax is shipping this afternoon, really have anticipated this for a long time. I can't wait to hear the first reviewer.
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Got the email I've been waiting for, my first Triax is shipping this afternoon, really have anticipated this for a long time. I can't wait to hear the first reviewer.

Nice! smile.gif
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I am more curious to hear what the owners think these days. Too many benchmark subs out there without 3rd party testing. I don't think it is in Tom's interest to worry about this.
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Got the email I've been waiting for, my first Triax is shipping this afternoon, really have anticipated this for a long time. I can't wait to hear the first reviewer.

I think we'll get through most of the pre-orders (120 volt) for May and June today. 208-240v orders will take up much of next week. I'm hoping all orders through end of July will be taken care of in this production run(by mid next week). Second production run is scheduled in about 10-12 days. That will be a much larger "run" and should fulfill all current orders.

As much as we would love it----we just can't assemble and test 25 Triax a day. I am estimating 8-12 a day when we can completely focus on them(like today).

If you ordered in May or June you should see tracking info in your inbox late this afternoon. A few toward the end of June may slide until early next week though. We'll do our best!

Tom V.
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I am getting excited for those who ordered these beasts. Seem to be a great value.
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So if im part of the first batch, i wonder where that puts me as far as a time frame?
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So if im part of the first batch, i wonder where that puts me as far as a time frame?

When did you order the Triax? I ordered my first in August so it looks like I won't be seeing a shipping notice until mid-late next week.
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