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post #1981 of 3438 Old 11-19-2013, 03:07 PM
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Thats one thing i was waiting to see with this Triax. For some reason the sub doesnt drown out the dialogue or any of the speakers whatsoever. Maybe it the audyssey XT32 at work or just that fact that the Triax puts out extremely tight, clean, powerful bass. If i crank everything well above reference for movies, music, demos, ect. It all still sounds clear and insync which one another. Maybe its the crossover settings too, all i know is that like when i played movies it sounded so intense and clear, just how i wanted. Now i do agree if i swapped out the B&Ws it would be another step up but so far they keep up enough to give an overall impressive soundstage. Id say for movies theyre doing great staying even with the Triax, for bass heavy songs the Triax begins to show its brutal force more. Bass heavy movie clips like Pulse scene still has great results with the Bowers. They might not be the strongest but i can compesate for the time being since they still sound clear at maxed out volumes. Id say this Denon 4520ci does a good job keeping everything running clean to where i can crank the volume and still get outstanding quality output from all speakers. I would def like to upgrade even more but so far everything can send the average person running out of my room. wink.gif

Awesome! I guess that answers the question then biggrin.gif

Maybe there is something to this Audessey thing wink.gif

In the mean time I'll be hanging out with my poor old 50 watt HK, which does a better job now that I upgraded to Klipsch speakers.

Thanks for your detailed reply.
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Also for my first night testing the Triax I had it running pretty hot, reason for this is because at reference i noticed its brutal power kicks in the way i like with it running hot. Then while i was running demos and clips at high volumes the bass just didnt seem to drown my speakers, theres so much low output it was mostly alot of clean, quick, powerful, violent reactions to the foundation of the house. It just isnt boomy at all and i think thats why its not drowing out my speakers. Im def more than happy so far.
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What did you set the Triax level at? How did Audyssey effect the level of your mains and sub, did they kick the sub level down?

I like the room corrections the audyssey does but after i run it i always bring the sub up to 0dbs from the receiver then i double check the other speakers with a spl meter and keep them all even to reference trim. Then ill turn on a demo to reference and adjust the sub gain on the back to where i like which is usually pretty hot. With the triax i can run it as hot as i want because i always listen at reference or above so by then the other speakers are at good, strong levels and they havent been drowing out. Then ill change fronts and centers to 80hz and my rear surrounds to 120hz. ive had the sub crossover set at 100hz so theres no holes in the low freq transitioning and all 5 ht speakers set to small. So far its been great, no complaints at all at the moment. Im going to do some more testing tonight biggrin.gif
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Very cool, I'm glad to see you got your sub and it meets or exceeds your expectations! smile.gif
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I was maxing out on the spl meter only during frequency sweeps off youtube so by that point the other speakers werent even playing at those frequencies because they were at 60 hz and lower. I havent measured the triax in movie scenes yet but im going to check that out tonight.

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Very cool, I'm glad to see you got your sub and it meets or exceeds your expectations! smile.gif

Thanks carp, it def exceeded my expectations in every way. Hopefully ill have a 2nd one built and ready in a few weeks just to add into the fun.

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Thanks carp, it def exceeded my expectations in every way. Hopefully ill have a 2nd one built and ready in a few weeks just to add into the fun.


So much fun... now your only problem is tracking down and trying to tame all (well, more like some of - you'll never get them all) the rattles and painful growns your house will be making! biggrin.gif



Are those drivers really 45 pounds? That's crazy heavy for a 15 inch driver!! cool.gif
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So much fun... now your only problem is tracking down and trying to tame all (well, more like some of - you'll never get them all) the rattles and painful growns your house will be making! biggrin.gif



Are those drivers really 45 pounds? That's crazy heavy for a 15 inch driver!! cool.gif

Theyre pretty heavy






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Sweet!

You have help lined up to get that beast in the house?

I will tip the driver to help. If not, I will ask my brother to stop by after work and help.
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I will tip the driver to help. If not, I will ask my brother to stop by after work and help.

Tell him you need help with some little bose speakers, tell him itll be pretty easy then watch his reaction when he sees the speaker box biggrin.gif
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I like the room corrections the audyssey does but after i run it i always bring the sub up to 0dbs from the receiver then i double checks the other speakers with a spl meter and keep them all even to reference trim. Then ill turn on a demo to reference and adjust the sub gain on the back to where i like which is usually pretty hot. With the triax i can run it as hot as i want because i always listen at reference or above so by then the other speakers are at good, strong levels and they havent been drowing out. Then ill change fronts and centers to 80hz and my rear surrounds to 120hz. ive had the sub crossover set at 100hz so theres no holes in the low freq transitioning and all 5 ht speakers set to small. So far its been great, no complaints at all at the moment. Im going to do some more testing tonight biggrin.gif
If you're using the receiver's internal test noise signals to check the levels post-Audyssey, you should be aware that Audyssey's Room Correction EQ filters are inactive when the test signals are played. The boosts and cuts invoked by the EQ will not be accounted for in the test signal measurements. Therefore, measuring the levels with the internal test signals and an SPL meter is an inaccurate way to check the levels, (assuming you actually plan to use the Audyssey's Room Correction EQ's.) Your level calibration will be incorrect if you do this.

If you want to accurately check the levels post-Audyssey, you need to use external test noise signals such as those found on the 5.1 Audio Toolkit: http://www.gold-line.com/51atdvd.htm or Avia, http://www.amazon.com/AVIA-II-Guide-Home-Theater/dp/B000XGM6R6 which you can also rent from NetFlix. Then make sure Audyssey's Room Correction is active while playing the test signals. Then you also need to find the proper correction factor for your specific SPL meter. (See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/505236/spl-meter-correction-tables)

I'm curious why you think Audyssey would get the levels wrong in the first place? It uses the same microphone for each measurement, and the mics are calibrated to Audyssey's tolerances. Audyssey also uses a very elaborate method to measure and set the levels based on multiple room measurements and a wider bandwidth of test frequencies. (The internal test signals are limited to 40 to 80 Hz, so just one octave of the bass frequencies.) Audyssey is very likely to be much more precise than the SPL meter, which only measures at one position over one octave.

I suggest you not change the Audyssey level settings after running Audyssey unless you go to the effort of getting some external test signals and the proper correction factor for your SPL meter. Have you read the Audyssey Setup Guide or the FAQ: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779 ?

BTW, enjoy your Triax, and of course, feel free to use your system any way you like. smile.gif

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If you're using the receiver's internal test noise signals to check the levels post-Audyssey, you should be aware that Audyssey's Room Correction EQ filters are inactive when the test signals are played. The boosts and cuts invoked by the EQ will not be accounted for in the test signal measurements. Therefore, measuring the levels with the internal test signals and an SPL meter is an inaccurate way to check the levels, (assuming you actually plan to use the Audyssey's Room Correction EQ's.) Your level calibration will be incorrect if you do this.

If you want to accurately check the levels post-Audyssey, you need to use external test noise signals such as those found on the 5.1 Audio Toolkit: http://www.gold-line.com/51atdvd.htm or Avia, http://www.amazon.com/AVIA-II-Guide-Home-Theater/dp/B000XGM6R6 which you can also rent from NetFlix. Then make sure Audyssey's Room Correction is active while playing the test signals. Then you also need to find the proper correction factor for your specific SPL meter. (See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/505236/spl-meter-correction-tables)

I'm curious why you think Audyssey would get the levels wrong in the first place? It uses the same microphone for each measurement, and the mics are calibrated to Audyssey's tolerances. Audyssey also uses a very elaborate method to measure and set the levels based on multiple room measurements and a wider bandwidth of test frequencies. (The internal test signals are limited to 40 to 80 Hz, so just one octave of the bass frequencies.) Audyssey is very likely to be much more precise than the SPL meter, which only measures at one position over one octave.

I suggest you not change the Audyssey level settings after running Audyssey unless you go to the effort of getting some external test signals and the proper correction factor for your SPL meter. Have you read the Audyssey Setup Guide or the FAQ: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779 ?



BTW, enjoy your Triax, and of course, feel free to use your system any way you like. smile.gif

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Man thanks, I didn't even know that! The Audyssey results were very good, for some reason I thought doubling checking them was a good idea but I didn't realize that the way I did it wasn't correct. I'll leave them the way audyssey has them except for the sub trim. Thanks for pointing that out! smile.gif
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I'm going to post a few short videos of the Triax, these aren't my final video just quick ones until I make the real one. I'll have them up in 10 minutes

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I thought that you can't hear below 20hz?

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I was looking forward to the video of you getting that thing downstairs though. biggrin.gif

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I thought that you can't hear below 20hz?

You cant...thats the room flexing.
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I thought that you can't hear below 20hz?

All I know is you sure can feel it with the Triax! If you can play the clips on your tv they'll give you somewhat of a feel for how it sounds but it's way crazy in person, I just can't capture how clear everything sounds because on the camera it's all mumbled lol.

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You cant...thats the room flexing.

Sure you can. It just needs to be LOUD. A number of recent studies have shown that the threshold of hearing extends below 20 Hz. The SPL's just need to be over 90 - 100 dB:



http://www.noiseandhealth.org/article.asp?issn=1463-1741;year=2004;volume=6;issue=23;spage=37;epage=57;aulast=

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Sure you can. It just needs to be LOUD. A number of recent studies have shown that the threshold of hearing extends below 20 Hz. The SPL's just need to be over 90 - 100 dB:



http://www.noiseandhealth.org/article.asp?issn=1463-1741;year=2004;volume=6;issue=23;spage=37;epage=57;aulast=

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Maybe in a sound proof room...all I hear playing a 15hz test tone is my walls and windows flexing. Thats @ 115db+
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Maybe in a sound proof room...all I hear playing a 15hz test tone is my walls and windows flexing. Thats @ 115db+
Those studies were done with sinusoidal single frequency, long duration tones in a free field. (You can't make an anechoic chamber, (sound proofed room), that is anechoic at 20 Hz or less because the wavelengths are too long.) Under those circumstances, humans can hear 10 Hz as long as it's loud enough.

In your experience, the infrasound will be masked by the louder harmonics of the 15 Hz tones at 30 Hz, 45 Hz, 60 Hz, etc., and by the noises produced by your room. That doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to hear 10 Hz if you were outdoors, in a free field and 10 Hz was reproduced at 110 dB. If you have a normal hearing apparatus, you would be able to, just like other humans.

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They could be! Man they really designed the speakers and the enclosure like tanks, awesome quality! Well I'm already excited about getting another Triax, just not sure where to place it yet.

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Those studies were done with sinusoidal single frequency, long duration tones in a free field. (You can't make an anechoic chamber, (sound proofed room), that is anechoic at 20 Hz or less because the wavelengths are too long.) Under those circumstances, humans can hear 10 Hz as long as it's loud enough.

In your experience, the infrasound will be masked by the louder harmonics of the 15 Hz tones at 30 Hz, 45 Hz, 60 Hz, etc., and by the noises produced by your room. That doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to hear 10 Hz if you were outdoors, in a free field and 10 Hz was reproduced at 110 dB. If you have a normal hearing apparatus, you would be able to, just like other humans.

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most of us have our subwoofers indoors No? So why would outdoors matter? You just confirmed room noises and harmonics will mask sub 20hz sound. Most ULF is felt more then it is audible in room.
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R&L called earlier today to setup the delivery of the Triaxes, not even at home and won't be until Thursday...may have them deliver Thursday afternoon otherwise Friday smile.gif
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Lol.. Black took the drivers out. I knew you would. They look great and glad you’re so happy. groovy-doovy..

Looks like jarr will be calling in sick this Fri? Congrats though, getting very close

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Maybe in a sound proof room...all I hear playing a 15hz test tone is my walls and windows flexing. Thats @ 115db+

It's all going depend on one's hearing ability. My hearing cuts off about 14Hz. My wife's cuts off at 15Hz. When I crank the volume up on the headphones, I don't hear jack but my son yells at me about how irritating the sound is from two rooms away. The cat leaves the room. I can't hear doodle. The point, just because I can't hear it, don't mean my wife, son and cat can't hear it also. biggrin.gif

The same goes for low frequencies and not everybody is hearing harmonics.
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Lol.. Black took the drivers out. I knew you would. They look great and glad you’re so happy. groovy-doovy..

Looks like jarr will be calling in sick this Fri? Congrats though, getting very close

Im def happy, im glad i finally get to hear what a real sub sounds like!

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Im def happy, im glad i finally get to hear what a real sub sounds like!

You get to hear the real thing. Last night, I got to hear what a real subwoofer sounded like.......in my dreams. eek.gif...redface.gif

(i still have a month more before I can hit the send button)

Anybody else having dreams about their dream subwoofer or am I the only pathetic one here? tongue.gif
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You get to hear the real thing. Last night, I got to hear what a real subwoofer sounded like.......in my dreams. eek.gif...redface.gif

(i still have a month more before I can hit the send button)

Anybody else having dreams about their dream subwoofer or am I the only pathetic one here? tongue.gif

Sounds like a popular dream!

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