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Getting a new sub for my second theater. Room is 15x19. Max budget of $2,000 but would like a little less! Can ONLY accomdate room for one sub. Maximum of like 22'' wide and like 29" deep and whatever height. Must be somewhat attractive. ID is fine with me.

Right now, the SB-13 ultra, PB-13 ultra, FV15hp, and PB12+ are on the top of my list. I like a very clean but hard hitting sound. I have an F113 in my other room, so if that gives you any reference. (I know... overpriced!)

I listen loud sometimes and don't want bottoming out to be an issue.

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How about a passive JTR Captivator 2400 ($1499+ shipping)+ Behringer iNuke 3000 ($300 shipped)or 6000 ($400 shipped) amp? Per Archeae here, his single Cap2400 has more output than his DUAL PB13 ultra's that he used to owned. I believe him as I did listen to his dual Cap's and they were insane. A single cap2400 + 3000W or 6000W Behringer amp has potential to crack your sheetrock.
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Cannot fit those subs!!
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I listen loud sometimes and don't want bottoming out to be an issue.

Any help is appreciated smile.gif

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Your above tells me that your system is not dialed in. Have you downloaded a freeware copy of REW? REW allows one to read the acoustics of their room and to set their subwoofer system up for maximum performance.

With your budget, a recommendation would be to buy three PSA XV15's and go from there.
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Getting a new sub for my second theater. Room is 15x19. Max budget of $2,000 but would like a little less! Can ONLY accomdate room for one sub. Maximum of like 22'' wide and like 29" deep and whatever height. Must be somewhat attractive. ID is fine with me.

Right now, the SB-13 ultra, PB-13 ultra, FV15hp, and PB12+ are on the top of my list. I like a very clean but hard hitting sound. I have an F113 in my other room, so if that gives you any reference. (I know... overpriced!)

I listen loud sometimes and don't want bottoming out to be an issue.

Any help is appreciated smile.gif

Thank you!

Based on your size restrictions you could save $400 and get a PC13 ultra instead.

I have the PC12+ in a 13x14 room and it really just disappears into the corner if you can believe it. Takes up only 17 square inches of floor space.

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The pb13-ultra is the best sub you have listed. I loved mine.you will never get it to bottom out or distort.

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The pb13-ultra is the best sub you have listed. I loved mine.you will never get it to bottom out or distort.

Is that simply because of the limiters it has Brian?
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Cannot fit those subs!!
the Captivator is 30"h x20"w x22.5"d
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Per what you mentioned below, it should work, am I wrong?
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Maximum of like 22'' wide and like 29" deep and whatever height.
Right now, the SB-13 ultra, PB-13 ultra, FV15hp, and PB12+ are on the top of my list. I like a very clean but hard hitting sound. I have an F113 in my other room, so if that gives you any reference. (I know... overpriced!)

I listen loud sometimes and don't want bottoming out to be an issue.

Any help is appreciated smile.gif

Thank you!
The FV15hp is the best and cheaper than the pb13 ultra from what you listed.
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That isn't a large room and I prefer sealed designs so the SB13 would be my pick, but you can't go wrong with the PB13 and FV15 either.
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How about a PSA XS30? -

- Dual 15"
- Dimensions (D x W x H): 23.5” x 18” x 22.5"
- MSRP: $1149 delivered

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/products/xs30
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Rythmik E15HP or PSA XS30(cordovan cherry is an amazing finish!) would be great choices if you are looking to keep the size somewhat down.
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Is that simply because of the limiters it has Brian?

Yes. The limiter works extremely well in the svs subs. Once they are pushed to their max they simply just stay at that output. No bottoming. No nasty noises or distortion. Plus the ultra has tons of output anyway. But it's nice to know that the limiter works so well. It's totally transparent.

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Say I were to go for the sealed SB-13 in my size room. How tough would it be to get that sub to bottom out/and or start hitting limiter? It's hard picking Rhythmik or PSA over SVS because someone tells me it has 3 extra db of output at X frequency lol.
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Say I were to go for the sealed SB-13 in my size room. How tough would it be to get that sub to bottom out/and or start hitting limiter? It's hard picking Rhythmik or PSA over SVS because someone tells me it has 3 extra db of output at X frequency lol.

As two additional possibilities, with the budget of a SB13-Ultra, for $1,423.10, one could acquire a pair of XS15's. Or......one could buy a Cordovan Cherry XS30 with an eye on a XS15 in the near future. Total for a single SVS SB13-Ultra: $1,599.00. Total for a Cordovan Cherry, XS30 and a XS15, $2,048 or $449.00 more.

One doesn't need to buy everything at one time but if you buy both at the same time, if I'm correct, buying two subwoofers from PSA, includes a 5% discount which makes this recommended purchase, that much more attractive by a hundred dollars. Of course, one should check with PSA to make sure what their dual subwoofer pricing policy is.

Either which way one goes, Rythmik, SVS or PSA, they're going have a killer subwoofer sound reproduction system.
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IMO your pushing it as far as room size goes for getting good room gain, especially with movies and even more so that you like to play it loud. I would stick with your ported choices.

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IMO your pushing it as far as room size goes for getting good room gain, especially with movies and even more so that you like to play it loud. I would stick with your ported choices.

An SB-13U won't fill a 15x19 room?
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If you aren't trying to listen at reference level volumes (commercial theater levels), a SB13 will be fine. You could spend a bit less and get a Rythmik F15HP as well. If you intend to push the volume levels, I would go for a Rythmik FV15HP.
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It depends. Is the room open to additional spaces like kitchens, dining rooms or hallways? If so, being able to fill the room is diminished by the addition of adjacent room space.

The short version, sealed subs of equal design to vented/ported designs, with room gain, dig deeper but if the room is large, it takes more sealed subwoofage to obtain this goal.

Vented subs have more output and are more economical in dealing with large, open spaces.

The SB13-Ultra is a very capable subwoofer design. Being sealed, a large space will eat up the output and require the addition of a second SB13-Ultra to get you where you want to go.

Intrinsic values enter the buying picture, room aesthetics, WAF, personal needs and budget. There's no getting around these points. Room aesthetics, WAF, personal needs or budget, something has to be compromised on.
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It depends. Is the room open to additional spaces like kitchens, dining rooms or hallways? If so, being able to fill the room is diminished by the addition of adjacent room space.

The short version, sealed subs of equal design to vented/ported designs, with room gain, dig deeper but if the room is large, it takes more sealed subwoofage to obtain this goal.

Vented subs have more output and are more economical in dealing with large, open spaces.

The SB13-Ultra is a very capable subwoofer design. Being sealed, a large space will eat up the output and require the addition of a second SB13-Ultra to get you where you want to go.

Intrinsic values enter the buying picture, room aesthetics, WAF, personal needs and budget. There's no getting around these points. Room aesthetics, WAF, personal needs or budget, something has to be compromised on.

WAF does not like the look of the Rhythmik ): That is why its out /:

The room is completely closed off. Doesn't extend anywhere, just gets sealed by a door!!
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WAF does not like the look of the Rhythmik ): That is why its out /:

Including shipping, at $1,583.00, being that your room is sealed off, how well does a Rythmik, F25 meet with the WAF?

Being that in your original post, you stated that you are looking for a single subwoofer solution, as suggested, the PSA XS30 in Cordovan Cherry has both a low profile and high WAF. OTOH, the PSA XV30f has a much taller profile, but meets your width and depth requirements and has a high cool factor that may pass with the WAF. Being ported, it will give more output but won't dig quite as deep as the sealed XS30.

Are you able to go with a two subwoofer solution, such as a Cordovan Cherry, XS30 with an eye on a black XS15 in the near term future?

(do you have room measuring capability? is your AVR equipped with EQ capabilities?)

The benefit of Rythmik, is the ability to work with the subwoofer's parametric settings and the "servo" technology. My understanding, the F25 or the E15 are more articulate with music. The same with the SVS, SB13-Ultra. My understanding, the PSA line has basic control; phase, gain and LPF setting.

Repeating myself, intrinsically speaking: "Room aesthetics, WAF, personal needs or budget, something has to be compromised on."

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The WAF has taken over my choice.

She only approves of SVS PB13U OR SB13U ): I was set on the F15vhp! So, other than a few more db down low am I gaining anything more with the PB13U?
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The WAF has taken over my choice.

She only approves of SVS PB13U OR SB13U ): I was set on the F15vhp! So, other than a few more db down low am I gaining anything more with the PB13U?

I have owned both in the same setup. Go with the pb13. It's more then just a couple db down low and it sounds just as good. It takes three sb13's to match the low end output of the pb13. I said the sb would struggle with room gain down low in your room and I still stand by that. Especially at the higher levels you like to play at.

Get the pb13. You'll thank me later

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Not to mention you'd an always run the pb13 in sealed mode if you wanted to

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The WAF has taken over my choice.

She only approves of SVS PB13U OR SB13U ):

It reads as if the jury (WAF) has determined your fate and as pointed out, the most bang (output) will come from the PB13-Ultra.
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It reads as if the jury (WAF) has determined your fate . . . .

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For WAF, look at the Martin Logan Depth. Descent is gorgeous too, but 1k over your budget. Totems also have a high WAF. Beautiful wood finish. Those are the only two company's floor-standers (Totem) and sub (Martin Logan) I could convince my wife to let me have in the living room.
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The XS30 from PSA looks pretty good with the veneer option they offer.

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For WAF, look at the Martin Logan Descent. Depth is gorgeous too, but 1k over your budget. Totems also have a high WAF. Beautiful wood finish. Those are the only two company's floor-standers (Totem) and sub (Martin Logan) I could convince my wife to let me have in the living room.

Maybe the OP can up his game and for less than the price of a Martin Logan Descent i, go for a single Triax, veneered in Cordovan Cherry. In doing this he'll know that despite the limitations of the WAF, he'll have to best of all worlds and be done with it.....no regrets.

The below image is Espresso as I didn't find a Cordovan Cherry image on the PSA website to post.

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^ That finish is espresso not cordovan cherry, just to clear things up. I dont think you were implying it was bee, but your post could be interpreted wrong.
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^ That finish is espresso not cordovan cherry, just to clear things up. I dont think you were implying it was bee, but your post could be interpreted wrong.

You're right. Thanks! Notation made as PSA only had the Espresso image readily available and I should have made note of the finish difference.
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