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post #1 of 34 Old 10-08-2013, 09:32 AM - Thread Starter
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I'm sure this is covered under one of the million threads, but I've read 100k threads and I'm just not sure. Do I think I need an extra sub? eh... do I want an extra sub... Yes.

This is for my living room/HT

My setup:
Sony DN1040
2x Polk TSI 500
1x Polk CS20
4x Polk TSI 200(surrounds)
1x Polk PSW 505

Budget - Up to $500(or more if worth it)

Size - nothing super massive, but bigger then the psw by 6" or what not is ok.

Room Dimension - 22' x 18' x 10'h

Primary uses - 50% Tv shows / 40% HT / 10% Gaming

Listening Habits - Watching movies I will crank it up!

Appearance - This is in my living room, and my TSI-200's hanging from the ceiling is pushing it with my wife...

Timeframe - days-months...depending on price.

Position - to left or right of TV or both

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Side problem not directly related to question:
I have some aura bass shakers in my two recliners being pushed by a small Dayton 50x2 amp. I have two wired in series connected to one channel. On my Sony AVR I had to crank my sub output all the way up, and turned down the volume knob on the sub itself just to feel the bass shakers.

Could this just be my amp is just not powerful enough to get those little dudes to shake? I have been meaning to get another amp to try I just haven't yet...

I bring this up that if I get two subs, would It be difficult to keep the bass down low enough to not feel over boomy with the increase the DB+ sub volume on my avr?
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You might want to add another 505 or for $499 get an SVS PB-1000:

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/ported-box/pb-1000
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Any reason why you can't put the subwoofer behind your recliners that you have the shakers in?

My recommendation would be to purchase a Rythmik, LV12R and place it nearfield to your reclining chairs. You can also buy a second PSW 505. Check out the budget subwoofer threads. There too much there to articulate in a single post.

It never hurts to download a freeware copy of REW and learn how to use the room measuring software to help get the best out of the subwoofer system you currently have.
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You can consider two BIC PL-200s (which run approximately $280 each). Check in the PL-200 thread for how to get the best price (Sound Distributors), particularly when you purchase two.

The PL-200 will play to 28 Hz. The 505 (which I have had) will not play below 30 Hz. My son has two PL-200s in his system (which I think sounds quite good).

Your listening area is quite large ~3700 cubic feet which means two PL-200s or two of higher end (more expensive) subwoofers are likely needed.

I you go to www.data-bass.com, you can check Ricci's reviews on the PL-200, the Premier Acoustic PA-150, and a large number of other subwoofers.
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Any reason why you can't put the subwoofer behind your recliners that you have the shakers in?

Unfortunately my wife's piano that is never played sits behind the recliners along, and we just barely have enough space to open that one back door.
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As looking down on your floor plan, can you place a subwoofer in either corner behind the recliners?

Can you lose the piano chair to the garage and place the subwoofer by the piano pedals?

Have you tried using the sub-crawl to locate the best subwoofer location?

Without room measuring software, no one can't say with certainty where the best location is for the subwoofer.
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With the SVS PB-1000 you get extension to 19Hz rather than settle for some others limited to the upper 20's. SVS also has a generous return policy and a full 5 year warranty on both the driver and the electronics. You might also consider buying a B-Stock SVS PB-1000. Most of the B-Stock are in mint condition. B-Stock will bring the price down to $449 delivered, and you still get the 5 year warranty smile.gif
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As looking down on your floor plan, can you place a subwoofer in either corner behind the recliners?

Can you lose the piano chair to the garage and place the subwoofer by the piano pedals?

Have you tried using the sub-crawl to locate the best subwoofer location?

Without room measuring software, no one can't say with certainty where the best location is for the subwoofer.

Nada, nothing behind the recliners. The wife would kill me to move a $25,000 piano(one of her inheritance from her $100,000,000 work grandma) in the garage. Besides that's where my viper and one of my hotrod sleeps.

Basically I only have two locations. either side of the tv.

My question has more or less been answered though. It looks like it would probably be worth it to sell my 505 and get a higher quality subwoofer.
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With those types of toys in the garage, I'd give serious consideration to some of the Top Dog subwoofers. What kind of realistic budget can you muster?

I would start with a high end subwoofer and room measuring software so as to get the best out of the single subwoofer and then if needed, later add a second subwoofer.

It reads as if, due to WAF limitations, you'll be restricted to a single killer subwoofer and my recommendation would be to start out with that in mind.
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With those types of toys in the garage, I'd give serious consideration to some of the Top Dog subwoofers. What kind of realistic budget can you muster?

I would start with a high end subwoofer and room measuring software so as to get the best out of the single subwoofer and then if needed, later add a second subwoofer.

Realistically? 2-3 grand.... But that would be putting a Ferrari of sub woofers next to a ht setup equal to a bolt on mustang gt. I like good sounding stuff, but I'm not an audio file elitist... That's why I said 500ish. I would much rather spend money on other toys.

I did almost pull the trigger on one of those 17k 84" lg's, but I ordered one of those 80" M series Vizios instead. I'll wait for the large 4k's to come down in price some.
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Realistically? 2-3 grand.... But that would be putting a Ferrari of sub woofers next to a ht setup equal to a bolt on mustang gt. I like good sounding stuff, but I'm not an audio file elitist... That's why I said 500ish. I would much rather spend money on other toys.

It's all about what your expectations are. If you can afford a Ferrari and those are your expectations, are you going be happy with the driveability of a Roush? It reads like you're ready to step up your Home Theater game. If you want to split the difference between the top end and the bottom, consider something in the middle like a Rythmik F25 or a FV15HP. Also to be considered would be one of the following: a PSA XS30, a XV30f or a XV30.

The above recommendations are based on your comments. Start with one high end subwoofer that will have a chance of filling your room and go from there with consideration of a second subwoofer. I'm a three subwoofer type of personality but I understand limitations of budget, aesthetics and WAF. To get the best out of any subwoofer system, one will need to take benefit of room analyzing software.

As to your sound system, when ready, you can upgrade your speakers and AVR.
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With a 2K-3K budget consider the Seaton Submersive. With that budget you can get the Submersive in a choice of real wood veneers. In a number of shootouts the Submersive was usually at or close to the top.
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I guess I need to go to some more high end audio places to see if a $2-3k sub is worth it to me over a $500 sub, or even a $300 sub. As I keep reading, there is a point where something is "good enough." 99% of people that come over to my house are blown away by my system, and when I tell them it's baller on a budget stuff they look at me funny.

Although, those big subs do look cool!
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$2-3k is ridiculous. 1 of these will destroy that 505. 2 will make you very happy.

http://www.amazon.com/Premier-Acoustic-PA-120-Titanium-Subwoofer/dp/B0021I0DD8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1381317117&sr=1-1&keywords=premier+acoustics+pa120

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What you might take into account is you’re in a SW forum and many of us put a big premium on the .1 channel not forgetting the other 5 channels. No use in going to a high end audio store when you can shop the ID Co.’s and do far better at a much better cost. Anyway your room is close to sealed, so you can do fairly well on a budget and be very happy from the sound of things.

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As I keep reading, there is a point where something is "good enough." 99% of people that come over to my house are blown away by my system, and when I tell them it's baller on a budget stuff they look at me funny.

Yet you report having what type of vehicle in your garage?

If you're not ready to step up to the good stuff, then a suggestion would be to go with a Rythmik, LV12R which is the Top Dog of it's price point. There are many levels of subwoofers to be purchased. You won't find information at your local high end audio place that will help you find what you need. What you will find is someone who makes a living selling stuff which does not include giving information away that will help you find what you need somewhere else.

If you're wanting better that what you currently have, go with a PSA XV15 (also a Top Dog in its price point) and put it in the same location where your current subwoofer is located. You can get this subwoofer in Cordovan Cherry. A real wife pleasing finish.

From the above recommendations, trying to keep it simple, in my opinion, with other recommendations, you're going be sampling more of the same. If you just want to buy once and be done with it and know you have a beast of a subwoofer, go with a Rythmik FV15HP. In truth, if your friends are impressed with your current subwoofer, the Rythmik FV15HP could be more subwoofer than you're ready for.

In the end, it's all about emotional expectations and how many Benjamins one is willing to spend to get them where they want to go.

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Y'all gave me a lot to think about. Once again I appreciate.

For me, it's just where I want to spend my money on certain toys. I guess I have never really experienced a good HT audio setup. I have a better setup then most of my buddies with dedicated HT rooms. I know there is better stuff, i just never experienced it to justify it.

Going back to a car comparison. It's like someone driving a stock corvette and thinking it blistering quick, when my built F-150 runs 11.90's and I think it's slow. My bolt on and sprayed viper is borderline boring to me. It's the same with audio with me. To me this PSW-505 is pretty sweet, but in reality it's not really that special. Y'all on the other hand have some sweet setups that I just never experienced.
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Y'all gave me a lot to think about.

For us, it's a hobby. Something to keep us entertained while at home.
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For us, it's a hobby. Something to keep us entertained while at home.

I don’t know why, but that strikes me as being very funny Bee. biggrin.gif In a good way! smile.gif

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No offense but the 505 is a turd. If I only had the money to get a 505 I still wouldnt get a 505. You dont have to spend much to make a pretty significant upgrade. Buy what you can easily afford.

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I don’t know why, but that strikes me as being very funny Bee. biggrin.gif

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Dang! pick up 505 next sub purchase. biggrin.gif
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Unlike speakers, subwoofers scale pretty well with price. So the more you spend, the more sub you get, ie. you are buying lower extension and higher output. Now that PSW505 probably doesn't do anything meaningful below 30Hz, these days there is a lot of content below that you are missing. Going with something that can play down to 15Hz or so is going to open up a whole new world of sound for you.

I think once you realize what is out there in terms of sound quality, you will find yourself much more interested in these toys biggrin.gif

Grab a Rythmik FV15HP.

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Dang! pick up 505 next sub purchase. biggrin.gif
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Took me a while to get that one.

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Took me a while to get that one.

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You sure you gave up drinkin'? biggrin.gif

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I don't have any excuses......I was born this way. tongue.gif

Without the comment being explained, the fact that I finally got the humor goes a long way in deluding me to there being hope of me developing a sense of humor.

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No offense but the 505 is a turd.

I just got one delivered today morning, brand new from Amazon for $199 sounded like a true bargain with over 700 positive reviews I could not be wrong.

Wrong I was.

The bass is muddy and slow even after calibration amd trying to move sub around the room. I thought something was not right with the setup so I pulled my 12 yrs old b&w asw2500 and plugged instead.
After this I realized putting my hands on 505 was a mistake. This sub has sub port located at the back which makes it extremely difficult to position. With that kind if port I will never get even closer to bottom port subs and I have two different ones. The slow bass is explained by extremely wide surround vs. diaphragm.My $50 logitech low end PC subwoofer sound better comparing to 505 not mentioning b&w but this one hard compare due to different price range.
The 505 turd goes back where it came from. Gosh!
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I just got one delivered today morning, brand new from Amazon for $199 sounded like a true bargain with over 700 positive reviews I could not be wrong.

Wrong I was.

The bass is muddy and slow even after calibration amd trying to move sub around the room. I thought something was not right with the setup so I pulled my 12 yrs old b&w asw2500 and plugged instead.
After this I realized putting my hands on 505 was a mistake. This sub has sub port located at the back which makes it extremely difficult to position. With that kind if port I will never get even closer to bottom port subs and I have two different ones. The slow bass is explained by extremely wide surround vs. diaphragm.My $50 logitech low end PC subwoofer sound better comparing to 505 not mentioning b&w but this one hard compare due to different price range.
The 505 turd goes back where it came from. Gosh!

Another rejected turd. You have to listen to AVS members and not those dingy product reviews. smile.gif

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I just got one delivered today morning, brand new from Amazon for $199 sounded like a true bargain with over 700 positive reviews I could not be wrong.

Wrong I was.

The bass is muddy and slow even after calibration amd trying to move sub around the room. I thought something was not right with the setup so I pulled my 12 yrs old b&w asw2500 and plugged instead.
After this I realized putting my hands on 505 was a mistake. This sub has sub port located at the back which makes it extremely difficult to position. With that kind if port I will never get even closer to bottom port subs and I have two different ones. The slow bass is explained by extremely wide surround vs. diaphragm.My $50 logitech low end PC subwoofer sound better comparing to 505 not mentioning b&w but this one hard compare due to different price range.
The 505 turd goes back where it came from. Gosh!

Step it up a notch and get a b-stock PB-1000 for 449.00. After all the money I wasted in the past on budget subs, I wish I taken that money and bought a entry level quality sub from the get go. Going budget on a subwoofer is a mistake imo.
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