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Hello,

I have a relatively small listening area however it is an open space meaning it is wide open to the dinning area and then the kitchen with a hall leading to the garage/utility room and a hall leading to the front of the house.

Currently I have a 13+ year old 8'' velodyn sub I want to replace. It still works unless the humidity is high in which case there is a slight hum.

I want to stay around 500 - 700 bucks so I have been leaning towards Rythmik LVR12R. Is going from an 8'' to a 12'' an overkill?

I am also replacing the front and center speakers, the center arrived today and the fronts should here be next week.

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There is a sub too big for your room, but I don't think that a 12" sub would be overkill. Also take a look at SVS, they are great subs at internet direct prices and an extended home listening period so you can hear how it sounds where it really matters - in your room.

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There is no such thing as sub overkill. When calculating your listening area, you need to add all of those spaces that open from your listening area. Once you calculate all the additional areas, you see that no sub is too big for an area.
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More sub means headroom...you can never have too much. When the sub system does not have to work as hard to produce the desired listening level, sound quality improves as well as longevity of the sub components...its literally a win win in all aspects.
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I want to stay around 500 - 700 bucks so I have been leaning towards Rythmik LVR12R. Is going from an 8'' to a 12'' an overkill?

No. Not a chance. No way; no how. Not going happen.

Would it be considered overkill? Not even close. Would a Rythmik LV12R be considered a nice upgrade? Absolutely. Would considering the addition of a second LV12R be considered overkill? Absolutely not. Would the addition of a third LV12R be considered overkill? Nope.

Hopefully the above will ally any concerns regarding overkill.
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Agreed, no such thing as too much sub. Well, as long as the sub can physically fit in the area.

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From the standpoint of walue, there can be too much of anything. Too much sub would be having spent whatever you would consider a non-trivial amount of money in attaining a level of output above what you need at the lowest frequency you intend to target at whatever distortion you are willing to accept. But with the space it sounds like you have and the budget you have mentioned, there is not a chance you will be near the point of significant waste.
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The common theme is most people buy to little subwooferage when they enter this hobby and spend more money on upgraditis, lol.mad.gif I wonder how many of us got it right the first one or two time rolleyes.gif .
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The common theme is most people buy to little subwooferage when they enter this hobby and spend more money on upgraditis, lol.mad.gif I wonder how many of us got it right the first one or two time rolleyes.gif .


Second time around for me really. I think I got it semi-right. Well at least for a little while.

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If you will, I'm just finishing the introductory course: Subwoofers 101.

When I start the next upgrade, due to what I've learned here, my expectation are expectedly, these will be my last upgrade. I'm still split on if I should build around a Rythmik F25 or a PSA XS30. I'm also split as do I buy one or two ancillary subwoofers. I'm still playing with room acoustics and will let the room be the final arbiter on this matter.

Either which way, in the subwoofer department, the room, the budget and the WAF won't rationally handle any more. From there, the intent is to upgrade to one last AVR, a Denon 4520ci (or it's future equivalent) and be done with it as in my opinion, I'll just be throwing good money after good money and it will be time to move on because the journey will sadly have come to an end.

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BeeMan it is not a total waste of money. In the process of trying different things, I learned what to expect from different gear and what is just hype. I also learned what suits me , so the journey has been fun. I just order another sub, a Chase SS 18.2. This does not have to pass WAF since it is going to the man cave, lol. I am looking forward to some serious subwofferage this weekend:eek.gif

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BeeMan it is not a total waste of money.

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I don't recall posting that regarding subwoofers, anything is remotely to be considered a waste of money. Nor did I post that the process wasn't educational or entertainingly fun.

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Please reread my comment as it clearly states;

"If you will, I'm just finishing the introductory course: Subwoofers 101."

And

"I'll just be throwing good money after good money..."

The first comment is a statement that my subwoofer education is rudimentary and only in the beginning stages and the second comment clearly shows that I do no see additional spending as necessarily a bad thing.

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There's no mention of wasting money, wasting time or any type of statement that the process is not fun or entertaining.

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With the system that will have been put together, the laws of diminishing returns will kick in because once the above described system is dialed in, expectedly, the output will be reference level flat. I will have reached the high point of our budgetary abilities. I don't know what else can be done other than to be throwing good money after good money. At which time, it will be time to move on to another hobby.

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I think that Popalock or Carp should get in on this. biggrin.gif
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I think that Popalock or Carp should get in on this. biggrin.gif

With 6 high excursion 15" woofers and 8000 watts in your setup, your opinion would be good too!
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Hello,
Is going from an 8'' to a 12'' an overkill?


Thanks

Wait, what?
A single 12" would not be considered overkill on this forum unless you listen to movies in a small concrete shoebox. Im currently using six 15" drivers in a smallish room and I would absolutly not consider it overkill. I dont have any need for more capability but I wouldnt want less either.
You probably need to get out there and listen to a few systems with single 10" or 12" and a larger system with multiple 15-18" drivers to get a better understsanding of what you need.
In my experience a good way to go about it is to go with what you think you might want. Say, one 12". Then you double it. Three times.That gets you pretty close to what you will want in the end.
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