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I could get either choice for around the same price (they are on sale), my room is 15x20, mostly listen to music, thanks
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I would suggest a SVS PB1000 or Rythmik LVR12 instead of either of those choices.

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The 1000 doesn't look bad but the 500 looks pretty weak. I would go with the 1000. The 1500X was recently reviewed on Audioholics.com and did pretty well.
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The 1000 doesn't look bad but the 500 looks pretty weak. I would go with the 1000. The 1500X was recently reviewed on Audioholics.com and did pretty well.

Agreed.

If you want a more powerful subwoofer, the SVS PB1000 or Rythmik LVR12 mentioned by Kini62 would likely easily outperform the 1000 in maximum output. And if you aren't getting at least 40% off, another sealed sub to look at in this price range is the SVS SB12-NSD.

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Agreed.

If you want a more powerful subwoofer, the SVS PB1000 or Rythmik LVR12 mentioned by Kini62 would likely easily outperform the 1000 in maximum output. And if you aren't getting at least 40% off, another sealed sub to look at in this price range is the SVS SB12-NSD.

Why do you think the LV12 or PB1000 would outperform the ML 1000? If the 1000 driver is decent it could potentially outperform those, although probably not around their tuning points. The 1000 probably isn't a great deal at its MSRP, but depending on the discount, it could be worth considering over ID brands.
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Why do you think the LV12 or PB1000 would outperform the ML 1000? If the 1000 driver is decent it could potentially outperform those, although probably not around their tuning points. The 1000 probably isn't a great deal at its MSRP, but depending on the discount, it could be worth considering over ID brands.

First, Ford and GM could have built multiple 30+ MPG cars fifteen years ago, but they didn't. So I think most of us AVS subwoofer forum regulars are always a little wary of traditional speaker company subwoofers given their similar track record of not responding well to the market with good price/performance values. But you know that already.

That being said, the answer to your question is already implied in the last sentence of my post. The ML 1000 is a small sealed 12" sub, with an enclosure no bigger than the SB12-NSD, so it's reasonable to have doubts that it will significantly out perform it or say the NHT B-12d. The 1000 has an MSRP of $1000, so note that I said consider the SB12 if the 1000 isn't 40% off, which obviously takes into consideration that it might perform as well as an ID sub that is a similar sealed design.

Now that I have spelled out for you what you could have figured out for yourself based on what I wrote, satisfied? Or was that just a flame because someone recommended SVS Audio subs??? Fortunate that I forgot to mention the PSA XS15 for consideration, too. rolleyes.gif

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First, Ford and GM could have built multiple 30+ MPG cars fifteen years ago, but they didn't. So I think most of us AVS subwoofer forum regulars are always a little wary of traditional speaker company subwoofers given their similar track record of not responding well to the market with good price/performance values. But you know that already.

That being said, the answer to your question is already implied in the last sentence of my post. The ML 1000 is a small sealed 12" sub, with an enclosure no bigger than the SB12-NSD, so it's reasonable to have doubts that it will significantly out perform it or say the NHT B-12d. The 1000 has an MSRP of $1000, so note that I said consider the SB12 if the 1000 isn't 40% off, which obviously takes into consideration that it might perform as well as an ID sub that is a similar sealed design.

Now that I have spelled out for you what you could have figured out for yourself based on what I wrote, satisfied? Or was that just a flame because someone recommended SVS Audio subs??? Fortunate that I forgot to mention the PSA XS15 for consideration, too. rolleyes.gif

You answered a different question than what I asked. You said the PB1000 and LV12 would likely easily outperform the ML1000. I asked why you thought that, because overall, I wouldn't guess that, except of course, at their tuning points. If the ML1000 scales naturally as a 12" would from the 15" woofer of the ML1500X, it could very well outperform the PB1000, LV12, and, yes, the SB12. Go to the Audioholics review and knock off 4 dB from the CEA scores from the ML1500X which is about what you would expect if the 1500x went from a 15" to a 12".
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You answered a different question than what I asked. You said the PB1000 and LV12 would likely easily outperform the ML1000. I asked why you thought that, because overall, I wouldn't guess that, except of course, at their tuning points. If the ML1000 scales naturally as a 12" would from the 15" woofer of the ML1500X, it could very well outperform the PB1000, LV12, and, yes, the SB12. Go to the Audioholics review and knock off 4 dB from the CEA scores from the ML1500X which is about what you would expect if the 1500x went from a 15" to a 12".

The ML1000 would have nothing below 25hz unless it was in a small closet. Would not have near the max output of the two ported subs mentioned. And doesn't extend in the upper bass near as far. It's a cheaply built sub like the the 1500. While the 1500 has decent performance it does not perform well for its price. A PB1000 or LVR12 would still outperform it over all for 1/3 the price. Even at $1000 the 1500 is overpriced.

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You answered a different question than what I asked. You said the PB1000 and LV12 would likely easily outperform the ML1000. I asked why you thought that,

The answer was obvious in my original post because I listed the SB12 as a comparable sub to consider alongside the ML 1000. There's no need for me to explain it to you again.
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If the ML1000 scales naturally as a 12" would from the 15" woofer of the ML1500X, it could very well outperform the PB1000, LV12, and, yes, the SB12. Go to the Audioholics review and knock off 4 dB from the CEA scores from the ML1500X which is about what you would expect if the 1500x went from a 15" to a 12".

I don't need to go to Audioholics review. We know almost nothing about the driver in the 1000 to make that kind of comparison. We could make similar wild speculative extrapolations about the SB12 in relation to the SB13, although we know that the SB13 is significantly more powerful because of independently verified measurements. Since this discussion is about how someone else should spend their money, the better purchase decision factor is to assume the 1000 is no more powerful than comparable ID sub designs, such as the SB12, rather than basing the decision on wishful thinking.

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Sorry for messing up your thread panzer. Here is an alternative suggestion: the Dayton Titanic 4 kit. Like the ML1000 its a sealed 12", but it is using a pretty heavy duty driver, I am guessing quite a bit more powerful than whatever the 1000 is using. It's a kit so it does need a little bit of assembly, but it doesn't take long or need any uncommon tools, so it is not at all a major project. It's a piece of cake, just watch that video on the product page. The Titanic 4 driver is serious, its performance is sure to be very good. It will get you very clean bass and a deent amount of output. Another great sub around this price is the Hsu VTF2. It's also using a good driver, probably not quite on the level of the Titanic 4 but more powerful than some others mentioned thus far. It has a couple different ways to customize the sound to your preference. It has a decent amount of output and a high quality sound.
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Lol, seriously.

I'd go with the 1,000. Go big now and if it isn't enough add a 2nd later when they're going Disco and get an even better deal.
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Lol, seriously.

I'd go with the 1,000. Go big now and if it isn't enough add a 2nd later when they're going Disco and get an even better deal.

+ 1 on both the LOL and on the right answer being go a little better than you can afford, knowing that some day you will buy another one you can't quite afford.

I've regretted the choices where I underspent more than the times I've overspent.

I also think that the two good vs. one better choice is always best answered by secret option C: two better.
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