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I've had a BIC PL-200 for about two weeks now (with Cambridge Audio S30's for fronts in 2.1 setup) and am fairly satisfied with its bass for movie/TV watching. I have a large great room with 20' vaulted ceiling open to other rooms and sit about 10" from speakers and sub and the bass output is more than enough for me. I love how low it could go and enjoy hearing and feeling sound that I never experienced before with my HK HTIB sub before.

However, when listening to music (pop, jazz vocals, and various others but not rock or metal) I feel like bass is not accurate and tight. I'm not an audiophile by any means but I feel like it could sound better.

I bought the PL-200 for $250 two weeks ago from Amazon.com and still return it if I can find a sub that's great for both movie and music. I know it's nearly impossible to find one at this price range but I'm willing to spend a little more for better performance as I plan to keep it for few years. I'd like to limit my budget at $400 and below and would like some inputs!

I've done some research and found people recommeding a Premier Accoustics PA-150 ($399 on Ebay) over PL-200 and also found some stating a NXG NX-BAS-500 performs well for both movie and music. Klipsh RW-12D seems to be the most recommended sub in this price range but is nowhere to be found and I'm not sure if I can find the NXG sub either. I've also read HSU subs are pretty good too and HSU STF-2 is $339 so it's within my budget.

I'd appreciate your inputs comparing these subs: BIC PL-200, Premier Acoustics PA-150, NXG NX-BAS-500 and HSU STF-2. Which sub would be best for both movie and music? Any other sub recommendation would be great too!
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The STF-2 will be more accurate than the others. It does well for both movies and music, being very near flat all the way down to 24hz. The PA-150 will have a little bit more output, though.
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The STF-2 will be more accurate than the others. It does well for both movies and music, being very near flat all the way down to 24hz. The PA-150 will have a little bit more output, though.

Have you owned an STF-2? I have, and I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. It's weak for movies and muddy for music. Of the five subs I've bought since 2010, it's the first one I gave away.

If you've owned one, and all the others the OP mentioned, then I'll take your word for it that it's better than they are. Otherwise I think you may be referring to the common consensus but not the truth. STF-2 is one of the most overrated products around.

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Thanks for replies folks. I was also little worries about if the output of STF-2 would be sufficient for the large space I have but heard HSU subs are pretty good but I probably have to spend more for larger subs to fulfill my needs.
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Have you owned an STF-2? I have, and I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. It's weak for movies and muddy for music. Of the five subs I've bought since 2010, it's the first one I gave away.

If you've owned one, and all the others the OP mentioned, then I'll take your word for it that it's better than they are. Otherwise I think you may be referring to the common consensus but not the truth. STF-2 is one of the most overrated products around.

Yes, I own one right now. I've heard the PA-150 as well as the PL-200 as well. The STF-2 plays much cleaner.

You can reference the old Ed Mullen review, which shows it playing flat with no muddiness.
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I would spend $50 more and get something good, like this B-stock SVS PB-1000.

http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specials?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=240&category_id=5

This is a better sub than of the others listed here. It has a very flat frequency response curve and will get you sub-20Hz bass. The output won't be as high as the PA-150, but it will be more accurate.
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I would spend $50 more and get something good, like this B-stock SVS PB-1000.

http://www.svsound.com/outlet-specials?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=240&category_id=5

This is a better sub than of the others listed here. It has a very flat frequency response curve and will get you sub-20Hz bass. The output won't be as high as the PA-150, but it will be more accurate.

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Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it's not available currently but I can wait if it's worth it.

By the way, I found SVC PB1000 has a 10" driver. Will it go lower (sub-20Hz) even with the smaller driver compared to 12" PL-200 and 15" PA-150?
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Yes, I own one right now. I've heard the PA-150 as well as the PL-200 as well. The STF-2 plays much cleaner.

You can reference the old Ed Mullen review, which shows it playing flat with no muddiness.

Well all right then; I defer to your experience. I maintain though that this subwoofer is regarded more highly than it ought to be, and that new folks would do better to aim higher.

Ed Mullen's review was one of the reasons I bought in to the hype, way back when.

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Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it's not available currently but I can wait if it's worth it.

By the way, I found SVC PB1000 has a 10" driver. Will it go lower (sub-20Hz) even with the smaller driver compared to 12" PL-200 and 15" PA-150?

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Thanks for the suggestion. It looks like it's not available currently but I can wait if it's worth it.

By the way, I found SVC PB1000 has a 10" driver. Will it go lower (sub-20Hz) even with the smaller driver compared to 12" PL-200 and 15" PA-150?

Yes, it will. It is probably one of the best bang for the buck deals when it is available.
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Even brand new at $499 it is a fantastic option, and yes it will dig deeper.


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If you can wait, saving up for the PB-1000 is your best option. The only reason I would consider a the PA-150 in your price range is if I needed higher output (above 40hz) for mainly music in a large area.
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If you can wait, saving up for the PB-1000 is your best option. The only reason I would consider a the PA-150 in your price range is if I needed higher output (above 40hz) for mainly music in a large area.

Good point! If the op was only concerned with music and max spl the PA-150 would be hard to beat. However if he wants the best of both worlds with a good linear response the PB-1000 is a better choice. It would take 2 PA-150's to equal the output of the PB-1000 @ 20hz, ot would take 4 PB-1000's to equal 1 PA-150 abve 40hz. This is why I believe the PA-150 does not get recomended very often...it should be redesigned with a lower tuning point at the sacrafice of some top end output.
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Good point! If the op was only concerned with music and max spl the PA-150 would be hard to beat. However if he wants the best of both worlds with a good linear response the PB-1000 is a better choice. It would take 2 PA-150's to equal the output of the PB-1000 @ 20hz, ot would take 4 PB-1000's to equal 1 PA-150 abve 40hz. This is why I believe the PA-150 does not get recomended very often...it should be redesigned with a lower tuning point at the sacrafice of some top end output.

Agreed.

Also, the PA-150 will out perform the BIC PL-200 handily at 20hz and above 40hz. So sort of a win in upgrade over the PL-200 if cherishzm1730 ends up being happy with the sound.

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The PA 150 is not a monster on the low end but, what is under it's price. I got mine for $250 and preferred it over my SVS and Epik subwoofer. It is especially good in a medium to large room. I paired it with sealed and vented sub that had a little lower extension with good results. With room gain it will get some good usable extension into the low 20 Hz. region.

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I just wonder what make a subwoofer better for music. I listened some music this morning and while I'm satisfied with PL-200's output and how low it can go, I felt it did not blend with the music well and seemed it'a little "loose".

I'm still satisfied with its performance with movie and TV watching which added another dimension to my sound system but I'd like to be equally satisfied with a subwoofer for music.

I'm not seeing anyone mentioning about NXG sub. It's hard to find them, but still is it just not popular among AVS members?
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You need to keep in mind a couple of things. Bass/lower frequencies are by far the most difficult to tune and properly set up for in a home theater or listening room. How is your room? you may benefit greatly by finding ways to improve the environment. The BIC is one of the best buys for that price range out there. If you want a better sub but don't want to approach $1000, look around craigslist for a good used one, it may take time but is probably the best way to go. I snagged a Paradigm PW2100 a couple years ago for $225 used and it is amazing, it retailed for $800 or so back in the day. It still outperforms anything under $500 ive heard today.
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