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I see there are quite a few of these threads going on at the moment, but none of them are really helping me smile.gif

I currently have the following setup:
Yamaha RX-V371
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(as part of the cinema pack) Mission MS8 woofer (http://www.mission.co.uk/product.aspx?lang=en&tab=18&tab2=ms-8)

I'm looking at upgrading my amp next year to something much better, but for now, I was thinking of upgrading only my sub..

I just came from the local shops and this is basically what I've seen there: (I've converted the values directly from South African rands to US Dollars for your convenience.

PSB SubSeries 125 (~$300)
PSB SubSeries 300 (they don't have 200) (~$660)

OR

Tannoy TS 2.10 (~$450)
Tannoy TS 2.12 (~$540)

I'm going to move into a better apartment in the near future, but currently I have wooden floors in my apartment.. The MS8 woofer was a bit unstable at first, but I bought a SMALL carpet to place the MS8 woofer on it with those feet underneath the woofer. The MS8 woofer seems a bit weak in my opinion, I don't really feel the action when I want to watch some movies.

I need a woofer for both Movies/Gaming and Music. I personally have never heard of Tannoy make, and would like to get expert opinions on the subs biggrin.gif I see the PSB 300 is down-firing, while the Tannoys have some sort of Active front and Passive back (as they tried to explain it)... Is down-firing better?

Edit: Sorry, meant PSB and not JBL as stated earlier
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Sorry, Tannoy subwoofers are almost not discussed at all on this Forum. Of the models you mention, I would go for the PSB 300 for $660.

IT might be a good idea to contact some internet direct companies to ask about shipping to South Africa.
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I see the PSB 300 is down-firing, while the Tannoys have some sort of Active front and Passive back (as they tried to explain it)... Is down-firing better?

I have PSB S300. What is your room size?

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Do you know if the PSB 300 woofer is any good for movies?

They seem to point out a lot that the woofer is very good for music, but hardly see anything about movies
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I have PSB S300. What is your room size?

My current room is about 6m x 4m if I can guess correctly...

Can you comment on how the woofer performs on movies? From the sites I read they seem to focus a lot on its music part, but don't say much about movies.
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PSB S300 is a hec of a sub for its size. Its response is super clean and surprisingly loud. For movies it easily digs down to 24-25Hz. Below that the output is limited by subsonic filter. But it is an amazing sub both for movies and music.

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It has a lot of shake to the response, which is required in movies. How big is your room

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My current room is about 6m x 4m if I can guess correctly...

If you don't have other alternatives, PSB S300 is surprise package. It can easily pressurize room your size. Trust me.

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If you don't have other alternatives, PSB S300 is surprise package. It can easily pressurize room your size. Trust me.

It is difficult for me to respond with what my alternatives are... It seems as if this shop is the only one in my area selling decent speakers, and they refuse to give me a pricelist of what they have to do some reading on it.

Here is the website with all their suppliers: http://www.audiovision.co.za/suppliers.htm

If you have experience on any of those suppliers, feel free to make more suggestions..

I'm glad that you say the sub is good for both music and movies.. I think the PSB S200 would've been more ideal, but it sounds as if its worth it to look at the S300 for the price difference (and availability ofc).
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S300 is a monster sub in output down to 23-24Hz. S200 can't be compared with it.

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You make my decision quite tempting smile.gif

When you watch a nice action movie, do you FEEL the explosions and so on properly? Or do you just "hear" it? I would love it if my floor shakes a bit to give me that action experience biggrin.gif
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The 500 is one of the better looking subs that I have seen imo. Some day I would like to try to emulate it in a build.


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I just bought the PSB S300 and WOW.. its a bit of an overkill but whats done is done smile.gif

I've setup the sub with only 50% volume and its pumping! What do you guys recommend I should set the crossover Hz to? Mine is currently on 80Hz
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Depends on your main speakers...80hz is a good starting point. What does ypao set them at when your run the auto calibration? Or does that model of Yamaha not feature ypao?
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When you watch a nice action movie, do you FEEL the explosions and so on properly?

We, on avsforum, breathe/eat/drink bass and love bass massage. S300 will give you exactly that feeling till 23Hz.

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The 500 is one of the better looking subs that I have seen imo. Some day I would like to try to emulate it in a build.


It's a fantastic sub. If it wasn't for FV15HP, I'd have bought this one.

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Depends on your main speakers...80hz is a good starting point. What does ypao set them at when your run the auto calibration? Or does that model of Yamaha not feature ypao?

I've just ran my YPAO mic test, and my amp changed the crossover Hz to 110Hz... Do you think I should leave it there?


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We, on avsforum, breathe/eat/drink bass and love bass massage. S300 will give you exactly that feeling till 23Hz.

I think I found my family biggrin.gif
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I've just ran my YPAO mic test, and my amp changed the crossover Hz to 110Hz

I think you are running satellites. If so, leave the crossover at 110hz. If you find bass to be weak, jack up the sub trim level in avr.

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I've just ran my YPAO mic test, and my amp changed the crossover Hz to 110Hz... Do you think I should leave it there?
I think I found my family biggrin.gif

Yes but set the sub crossover at 110hz also....Yamaha avr's have a shallow rolloff so frequencies above 200hz could make it to the sub cusing localization.
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I think you are running satellites. If so, leave the crossover at 110hz. If you find bass to be weak, jack up the sub trim level in avr.

What do you mean by "satellites"?

These are my front speakers: http://nomoregoatsoup.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/mission-mv8-floorstanding-speaker-review/


@Basshead81, I'm using the LFE Input on my sub, so setting the Hz on my sub will be ignored smile.gif
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I've just ran my YPAO mic test, and my amp changed the crossover Hz to 110Hz..
It sets the crossover frequency based on what it measures for response. It certainly shouldn't set it that high for your speakers, which may indicate a placement/room response issue that makes the amp think that the speakers don't go as low as they actually do.

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