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Hi, I need a bit help over here. I own following setup: Onkyo 709 AV reciever, RF-63 fronts, RC-64 center and RS-52 II surounds all Klipsch. I just need to to buy sub. Now my room is somewhere around 70 cubic meters (2649 cubic foot if google converter is correct smile.gif) The guy in the store says to me that I should keep 600USD in my pocket and go for SW-308 instead of SW-311. This is probably the last time I'm gonna spend to much money on any speaker and I really wanted to buy SW-311, but the guy in the store told me that it would be a waste of money and he was so sturdy non the less that he actualy persuade me not to spend that money on SW-311, he actualy told me that he as a merchant would be more happier if I buy 311 'cos he will get more money out of it and there is where he got me. I bought 308 instead of 311 and he told me if I'm dissatisfied with the 308 that I bring it back to store and just give extra cash and go out with 311. So what do you guys think. Did I make a right dicision and saved 600USD to spend more on TV (the next thing I'm planning to upgrade my HT) or did he persue me wrong?

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Is size a big issue?

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No. Size of speaker is not the issue. The issue is "cost of 311 over 308 and the worth of it"? Considering to size of room as the merchant said. THNX!
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Would you be apposed taking the sub back and getting a lot more for your $$. I mean alot more.

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Yeah, definitely get an Internet Direct sub, WAY WAY more for your money. I am a massive Klipsch fan (have all Reference speakers) but their subs just don't cut it.

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Why Then would he persue me to go with smaller one? You really think I get so "alot" more? Why would he not want to earn more? That's the question I ask myself all day long. 'Cos I just bought it yesterday.
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Yeah, definitely get an Internet Direct sub, WAY WAY more for your money. I am a massive Klipsch fan (have all Reference speakers) but their subs just don't cut it.

What is Internet direct sub? And by what do you mean that 'Klipsch subs just don't cut it'?
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Why Then would he persue me to go with smaller one? You really think I get so "alot" more? Why would he not want to earn more? That's the question I ask myself all day long. 'Cos I just bought it yesterday.

I can think of many reasons, but it really doesn’t matter or anything that he says for that matter. You have the option of going ID or DIY. Both are much better options.

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I can think of many reasons, but it really doesn’t matter or anything that he says for that matter. You have the option of going ID or DIY. Both are much better options.

ID or DIY? Could you please explain?
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ID= internet direct DIY= do it yourself

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Internet Direct companies like: Power Sound Audio, Hsu Research, Rythmik, SVS, and Outlaw Audio offer the best bang for your buck. They can do this because of 2 facts: (1. they have no middle man because they sell direct over the internet, and (2. they have industry leading professional engineers and designers running them.

Klipsch among other brands tend to exaggerate their specs and frequency response compared to what real measurements and graphs show. Now for $600 the Rythmik LV12R will give you REAL and USABLE 19hz output. Below 20hz is where bass really becomes fun because thats where bass is more about feel than sound.
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I can think of many reasons, but it really doesn’t matter or anything that he says for that matter. You have the option of going ID or DIY. Both are much better options.

Why does nothing I say matter?

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^^^ Unless you are the merchant trying to sell the OP the sub Steve is NOT talking about you.

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^^^ Unless you are the merchant trying to sell the OP the sub Steve is NOT talking about you.

+1 Thanks flick. Yeah I'm talking about the sales guy that sold the Klipsch! it's all good blake

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^^^ Unless you are the merchant trying to sell the OP the sub Steve is NOT talking about you.

Oh okay, my mistake guys. smile.gif

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OK. Here is the thing. I don't have time to build my own sub. I live in Croatia/Europe so those brands are out of reach (talking about ID). What I could do is either return this sub and go for 311 or go with maybe some other brand for a price of aprox 1500$. That's the price 311 would cost me in the possible end. So what do You think I should do? Stick to 308, go with 311 for 600$ more or go for amount of 1500$ with another brand? THNX!
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OK. Here is the thing. I don't have time to build my own sub. I live in Croatia/Europe so those brands are out of reach (talking about ID). What I could do is either return this sub and go for 311 or go with maybe some other brand for a price of aprox 1500$. That's the price 311 would cost me in the possible end. So what do You think I should do? Stick to 308, go with 311 for 600$ more or go for amount of 1500$ with another brand? THNX!

Sheeze I dunno, that’s to much thinking and investigating. Maybe bass will get off his duff and help you out? biggrin.gif

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OK. Here is the thing. I don't have time to build my own sub. I live in Croatia/Europe so those brands are out of reach (talking about ID). What I could do is either return this sub and go for 311 or go with maybe some other brand for a price of aprox 1500$. That's the price 311 would cost me in the possible end. So what do You think I should do? Stick to 308, go with 311 for 600$ more or go for amount of 1500$ with another brand? THNX!

SVS has a dealer in Germany and Italy. Both just a short(ish) train ride away. smile.gif

Check them out.

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SVS has a dealer in Germany and Italy. Both just a short(ish) train ride away. smile.gif

Check them out.

http://www.svsound.com/international-sales

Really! hey that’s cool. SVS sure gets around! I would strongly suggest taking that train ride, SVS subs are a great product and great option.

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I can see what are you all talking about. The one that should be appropiate for my configuration is waaaay better even then 311 but I cann't get my money back unfortunaly. The best thing I could do for the money I already spent is to either upgrade to 311, choose maybe another brand they have in store or stick what I already got. This might just be one of biggest west of money. I was just to quick and just wanted to finalize my setup (building it for 3 years) and I wanted it to be "all Klipsch". Now i realize I probably made mistake...
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I can see what are you all talking about. The one that should be appropiate for my configuration is waaaay better even then 311 but I cann't get my money back unfortunaly. The best thing I could do for the money I already spent is to either upgrade to 311, choose maybe another brand they have in store or stick what I already got. This might just be one of biggest west of money. I was just to quick and just wanted to finalize my setup (building it for 3 years) and I wanted it to be "all Klipsch". Now i realize I probably made mistake...

I would try and sell it. Because it is a name brand and a well respected name brand you should be able to recoup a good portion of your money and put towards a good sub, which in the end will still cost less than the 311 you were looking at.

I've been there and done that with an overhyped name brand sub. I foolishly bought a Definitive Technology Super Cube. It was good for its size but WAY overpriced for its performance. I saw the light, bit the bullet and bought a SVS sub and couldn't be happier.

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The best thing I could do for the money I already spent is to either upgrade to 311, choose maybe another brand they have in store or stick what I already got.

What other brand subs does the dealer carry?
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What other brand subs does the dealer carry?

Here is an adress of the shop:

http://www.audiocinema-art.hr/

The page is on Croatian but You can see all the brands on the left side. I'd apriciate if You or somebody else could help me to get the best out of my money.
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Go with PSB out of the choices I seen on that site!
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I’m having a hard time navigating in English and when I do it’s mixed. Then I don’t see sub offerings??

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Go with PSB out of the choices I seen on that site!

OP, go with PSB like basshead said. Check if your dealer has SubSeries 300. It is a mini monster, which can easily pressurize room your size down to upper 20s.

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I’m having a hard time navigating in English and when I do it’s mixed. Then I don’t see sub offerings??

The thing is that audiocinema-art.hr doesn't have a price list in their site so You have to call them to get information about price or eiher go to the store, but they are the only ones that have Klipsch.
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OP, go with PSB like basshead said. Check if your dealer has SubSeries 300. It is a mini monster, which can easily pressurize room your size down to upper 20s.

I found PSB SubSeries on another delaer/site in Croatia. They do have a price list:

http://audiodream.hr/wp-content/uploads/PSB-Speakers_07-09-2013.pdf

Price is in Croatia Kuna; so to transform it to USD You would have to devide it with 5,6. So it should be somewhere around 1106USD and that is not a big difference from Klipsch SW-308, only 200USD up. Now when I look on the specs of Subseries 300 they do not differ much from 308. Now I know that I may be annoying but I'm not audiophile and I haven't heard that much subwoofers in my life to really know the difference, and I know that specs aren't the only criteria for buying speakers (not even close), but is Subseries 300 better than 308?
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When it comes to subs, Klipsch are very crafty in hiding details. That 110dB SPL @ 30Hz is at 1W/1m in 1/8 space. Which, in real world from an average listening distance (9-10ft), translates to roughly 97dB @ 30Hz keeping every other thing constant. Moreover I doubt this sub's -3dB point is 26Hz.

I used to have a Klipsch Sub-12 whose -3dB point was listed as 24Hz and I measured the port tuning frequency to be around 31-32Hz. That sub was actually 15dB down at listed 24Hz compared to 31Hz. And trust me Sub-12 was a very good value sub in its days and it was priced a tad over $300, which was marginally justified.

On the other hand, I also own PSB SubSeries 300. The rated +/-3dB point of 27 will be close to 23Hz depending on the room gain. I reckon in your room (2500 cuft), it should be flat down to 30Hz with a shallow roll off giving usable output down to 22-23Hz. This sub, as I said before, is a mini monster. The box is virtually inert to any resonance and distortion. And it is surprisingly loud for its tiny foot print. It is well braced internally despite having just 0.8 cu ft net internal volume.

Klipsch SW-308 is no comparison to this sub. Rest, it's all your choice. Hope that helps.

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