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Long story short. My wife ordered a purse. And it just came in today. After we had made an agreement. I would stop buying home theater equipment. She would stop buying purses. So now I'm just flat out pissed. And decided I want 2 psa xv15. To replace my dual outlaw sub. My question is about the base of the sub for an extra $100. Does it make a difference in sound? Or can I use my existing gramma pad from my outlaw sub? Are they both pretty much the same thing?
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what outlaw subs do you currently have? if they are the EX, that might be more of a lateral move (and then you should just keep them and use all 4 subs biggrin.gif). the base shouldn't make any difference, other than looks.

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They are both lfm-ex model. Sorry forgot to add that part. You honestly think its a lateral then a step up? Cause xv15 is 500 watts rms versus lfm-ex 350 watts rms
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^^ It wouldn't be much of an upgrade if you have the EX model. I wouldn't do a lateral move if I were you but opt for the XV30 or XS30 pair instead.
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I just received my XV15 today and its incredible! You will love running dual XV15s. I had the same question about the base so I emailed Tom at PSA asking about it. He responded that there is no difference in the performance between the sub with the base and the one without. He also said the sub without the base is more popular. It is $100 less and 15 lbs lighter. 


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Damn, that's over $2000. Is this the price point I should be looking at? Cause this pretty much changes my decision.
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They are both lfm-ex model. Sorry forgot to add that part. You honestly think its a lateral then a step up? Cause xv15 is 500 watts rms versus lfm-ex 350 watts rms

There's a lot more to it than just that. You can compare the two here:
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=58
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=88

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Um…. Just how expensive was that purse she bought?  

 

Dual XV30s may not be an option right now anyway, I was just on the PSA site and they seem to be sold out for now. 


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There's a lot more to it than just that. You can compare the two here:
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=58
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=88

Yep. The XV-15 would give you a little more bass at 16hz, but I would wonder whether or not the extra dbs above that would help you much. Might just be an incremental move upward.

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$2700 Christian Dior leather purse.
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^^ I hear you. Dual XS30/XV30 or even dual Rythmik FV15hp is cheaper then. What are you waiting for?
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$2700 Christian Dior leather purse.

wow don't get me wrong audio equipment isn't exactly a great investment, but a 2700.00 purse holy ****ski.

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What are you waiting for?

No doubt. A $2700 purse? You need ONE of these:



That'll teach her. And if not, you get a 2nd one later on wink.gif

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^^ I hear you. Dual XS30/XV30 or even dual Rythmik FV15hp is cheaper then. What are you waiting for?
Im waiting on money from a buddy for my outlaw subs. Earliest I can place an order on anything is Friday.
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Long story short. My wife ordered a purse. And it just came in today. After we had made an agreement. I would stop buying home theater equipment. She would stop buying purses. So now I'm just flat out pissed. And decided I want 2 psa xv15. To replace my dual outlaw sub. My question is about the base of the sub for an extra $100. Does it make a difference in sound? Or can I use my existing gramma pad from my outlaw sub? Are they both pretty much the same thing?

There have been a couple members that went from LFM-1 EX subs to XV15's and said they were a upgrade. Also the data-bass numbers are off slightly for the XV15 due to how the mic was placed during testing. The Outlaw was laid on its side with the drive facing the mic, the XV15 had a base plate that was not removed for testing. That being said I do not think it would be worth the coin to upgrade from the EX's. Those are pretty solid subs and unless you constantly are reaching thier limits, I dont think you would notice the few extra db the XV15 offers. I would be looking at a Pair of Rythmik FV15HP's.

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No doubt. A $2700 purse? You need ONE of these:



That'll teach her. And if not, you get a 2nd one later on wink.gif

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And one of these will outperform say 2 rythmik fv15?
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And one of these will outperform say 2 rythmik fv15?

Go check out some of the GTGs where people compared subwoofers. The Seaton Submersives are often the top rated of all subwoofers listened to:

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And one of these will outperform say 2 rythmik fv15?

No the FV15HP has more output in the 12-20hz range. The Submersive would have more above 30hz. The FV15HP is real beast for the money. 10hz in room extension with gobs of output. The SubM might have better sound quality since it gets rave reviews at the GTG's.

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No not around the FV15HP's tune.

I'm just curious how you would know that.

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I'm just curious how you would know that.

Ill give you a hint..."ULF score thread".

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Ill give you a hint..."ULF score thread".

Ahh...Hadn't seen that before. Thanks!

But won't the Seaton potentially have more output once you get down to 10hz, although that probably doesn't help without multiple subs.

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why u mad? u should be happy you now have a free pass to buy a toy.
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Ahh...Hadn't seen that before. Thanks!

But won't the Seaton potentially have more output once you get down to 10hz, although that probably doesn't help without multiple subs.

Yea I would say it has more @ 10hz and below being you can get good room gain, but comparing dual FV15HP's to a single SubM, It would be hard to say. If I had the choice I would take dual Rythmiks...Imo they are insane subs for the money. If Rythmik had a downfiring version(not the D15) I would have to sell my PSA subs.

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Yea I would say it has more @ 10hz and below being you can get good room gain, but comparing dual FV15HP's to a single SubM, It would be hard to say. If I had the choice I would take dual Rythmiks...Imo they are insane subs for the money. If Rythmik had a downfiring version(not the D15) I would have to sell my PSA subs.

I figure if I ever buy another sub, it's going to be one where I never want to upgrade again other than eventually having duals, and the Seaton would be that one, even if I could only start with one. smile.gif

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why u mad? u should be happy you now have a free pass to buy a toy.
I know I'm upgrading my subs to be even with my wife. But since this is out of my own pocket. Cause my wife is a stay at home mom. I don't want to go out and blow a huge chunk of change. It's a free pass with limits.
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Dual Rythmik FV15HPs. Up-front cost is greater than $2,700, but you'll come out ahead once you sell your current subs. smile.gif
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Dual Rythmik FV15HPs. Up-front cost is greater than $2,700, but you'll come out ahead once you sell your current subs. smile.gif
I got a $1000 for both subs. Just waiting on the other $500 tomorrow. I hope going dual fv15 satisfys my bass buds.
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