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I'm looking to upgrade my Bic H-100 to something much nicer. I've looked around and have deicded that the LV12R is something that I may enjoy. It's gotten very good reviews and a lot of people seem to like it.

So I just received a bonus from work today... and since I had my eye on the sub already... my question is, should I buy now? Should I maybe wait until black friday or the holidays to see if there's any discounts? Anyone familiar with Rythmik and whether they do sales or not?

Also, if there's any objections to the sub and someone might have a better suggestions? I'm all ears!

I do about 40% gaming, 40% movie watching, 18% music and rarely... but sometimes, 2% TV watching. Room is about 14x22, which is pretty small.

Thanks for any suggestions! smile.gif
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very nice choice! I do not think that sub will go on sale so go ahead and pull the trigger! smile.gif
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I do about 40% gaming, 40% movie watching, 18% music and rarely... but sometimes, 2% TV watching.

Trust me, Brian Ding is as articulate in a sub's response as you are in your application of a sub. You won't regret the purchase wink.gif

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Awesome! I think I will be pulling the trigger then. One thing that I'm sad about, is that there's no matte color available. Anyone know what the other finish looks like?
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I personally would rather have black oak.
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IMO you should consider auditioning the SVS PB-1000. It's well-rated, sells for $499, shipped, and SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days. If you're happy with the PB-1000, keep it; else, return it (total cost of in-home demo: $0) and get a Rythmik LV12R.
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We know you love SVS Eljay, but lets not confuse the OP...Jim Wilsons money is on the Rythmik so why waste the time? SVS does have some awesome perks, can not deny that.
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IMO you should consider auditioning the SVS PB-1000. It's well-rated, sells for $499, shipped, and SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days. If you're happy with the PB-1000, keep it; else, return it (total cost of in-home demo: $0) and get a Rythmik LV12R.

Care to elaborate more on the suggestion? I did read up on the SVS and actually had decided on the PB-1000 a while back, but then read some reviews on the LV12 that made me change my mind.
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Care to elaborate more on the suggestion? I did read up on the SVS and actually had decided on the PB-1000 a while back, but then read some reviews on the LV12 that made me change my mind.

You are making the right choice...If you have not yet go to hometheatreshack.com and look up Jman...his reviews on the PB-1000 and LV12R are pretty solid. I trust his opinion. The thing is I am sure the PB-1000 will sound great, but you will always wonder "what if" if you don't go with what your research has provided.
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We know you love SVS Eljay, but lets not confuse the OP ...
The OP asked for suggestions. A no-cost, in-home demo of a well-rated sub seems like a pretty reasonable one to make.
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There's really not much else to say. Demo-ing PB-1000 is a risk-free proposition. If that doesn't interest you, snag yourself an LV12R - which, by all accounts, is an excellent subwoofer - and enjoy. smile.gif
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For just a little more than the LV12r, there is this Dayton 12" Titanic 4 kit. It will crush both the LV12r and PB1000. There is a little bit of assembly involved but its very simple, just watch the video on the product page.
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For just a little more than the LV12r, there is this Dayton 12" Titanic 4 kit. It will crush both the LV12r and PB1000. There is a little bit of assembly involved but its very simple, just watch the video on the product page.

OMG! That might actually be an option! Where can I read more about results after assembly? Any reviews on it?

It's basically only a couple of bucks more, I would totally do it if it's a big improvement.
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OMG! That might actually be an option! Where can I read more about results after assembly? Any reviews on it?

It's basically only a couple of bucks more, I would totally do it if it's a big improvement.

Its using a far more massive driver and a more powerful amplifier. It's a sealed sub so it won't match the ported subs around 20 Hz, but above 30 it will kill them, not only in output but in distortion, compression, group delay, etc. There are reviews on the product page. The only drawback is you can not return it once you have assembled it. The pre-assembled version is $150 more. I dunno about you, but $150 is certainly worth an hour of my time.
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OMG! That might actually be an option! Where can I read more about results after assembly? Any reviews on it?

It's basically only a couple of bucks more, I would totally do it if it's a big improvement.

I know absolutely nothing about the Dayton Titanic kit and I'm sure it's a great sub. But I wonder how much better is the Dayton is over the LV12R. Crush? In what aspects? Also will the Dayton hold its value as Rythmik subs do?

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IMO you should consider auditioning the SVS PB-1000. It's well-rated, sells for $499, shipped, and SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days. If you're happy with the PB-1000, keep it; else, return it (total cost of in-home demo: $0) and get a Rythmik LV12R.

I have been looking/reading up on the LV12R and PB-1000, don't forget the SVS 5-year bumper to bumper warranty! Not many offer more than 2 years on the electronics. Also, the PB-1000 is front ported, the LV12R is rear ported, if location in the room restricts placement options.smile.gif
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OMG! That might actually be an option! Where can I read more about results after assembly? Any reviews on it?

It's basically only a couple of bucks more, I would totally do it if it's a big improvement.


At the price range you are considering your intitial choice is a great one. I doubt the dayton will compare below 30hz. You want as much output you can get in your budget below 30hz for movies and gaming.
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Are you adverse to going the used route? Good way to get more bang off your buck. You just need a little patience for the right sub to come around.

You could, for instance, try to negotiate this HSU
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/subwoofers-hsu-research-vtf3-mk4-subwoofer-for-sale-2013-11-06-home-theater-85212-mesa-az

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I'd rather have great bass above 30 hz rather than pretty good bass from 20 up.

Derko if you can take on a project and want truly amazing bass, here is something for the same price as the Titanic 4 kit:
Dayton 18" Reference HO driver and cabinet flat pack plus Behringer iNuke 1000 plus odds and end like screws, nuts, damping, paint. that will destroy even the Titanic 4. Of course, it is a lot more work to get done, but there are write ups and plenty of assistance from the DIY community here. Here is a pretty thorough write-up on how to put together a flat pack, and it isn't the only one.
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I'd rather have great bass above 30 hz rather than pretty good bass from 20 up.

Have you done a comparison of the LV12R to the Dayton?

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If it were my choice in a room your size, I would do the LVR hands down if your still referring to the 12” Dayton?
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Are you adverse to going the used route? Good way to get more bang off your buck. You just need a little patience for the right sub to come around.

You could, for instance, try to negotiate this HSU
http://app.audiogon.com/listings/subwoofers-hsu-research-vtf3-mk4-subwoofer-for-sale-2013-11-06-home-theater-85212-mesa-az

That seems like a great idea... but I've had some pretty bad experiences buying used before. I honestly rather avoid the potential hassles.
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I'd rather have great bass above 30 hz rather than pretty good bass from 20 up.

Derko if you can take on a project and want truly amazing bass, here is something for the same price as the Titanic 4 kit:
Dayton 18" Reference HO driver and cabinet flat pack plus Behringer iNuke 1000 plus odds and end like screws, nuts, damping, paint. that will destroy even the Titanic 4. Of course, it is a lot more work to get done, but there are write ups and plenty of assistance from the DIY community here. Here is a pretty thorough write-up on how to put together a flat pack, and it isn't the only one.

That seems like a bit more than I could handle. I live in an apartment where I've got no tools and no space for tools. That seems to me a bit more than I would want to do. I also read some threads in the DIY forum, where people had rattles and couldn't figure out what it was... damaged amps, things that didn't fit that needed modding or other little random things. Seems like something I would eventually get around to doing though! tongue.gif It looks fun and rewarding.

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If it were my choice in a room your size, I would do the LVR hands down if your still referring to the 12” Dayton?
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I think I will be placing my order for it later today. cool.gif

Edit: Scratch that! I placed my order already. Thanks for the info guys! Now I can't wait!!!! biggrin.gif
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The LV12R is a great choice. The PB-1000 is a great sub and does have a flatter response, but the LV12R has it beat with regards to output. The HSU VTF-2 is also a great choice in the same price range.

EDIT: I see your ordered your sub. Congrats! Don't forget to come back and post your impressions.
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How much more output is there for the LV12R over the PB-1000?
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I would assume approx. 3db
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Thanks! Couldn't find that data.
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I would assume approx. 3db

Hey Bass.. I’m wondering if you used these numbers and then correlated them over at Data with the HP and the NSD. I know it would be only a guestimat to a extent and we could only say across the board, but it would be interesting to do. I keep thinking of doing it, but never have gotten around to it. So a guy would minus 6dB from the HP and then look at the NSD and then minus 3dB from that to come up with the guestimat.

F12: 0db (baseline)
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If I understood correctly, looked at data bass avg 20-80 hz.

FV15HP. 116.3
PB12, 106.4

116.4-6 = 110.3 db. Avg 20-80 for LV12R?
106.4-3 = 103.4 db Avg 20-80 for PB-1000?

So a potential difference of approx 7 db ?
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If I understood correctly, looked at data bass avg 20-80 hz.

FV15HP. 116.3
PB12, 106.4

116.4-6 = 110.3 db. Avg 20-80 for LV12R?
106.4-3 = 103.4 db Avg 20-80 for PB-1000?

So a potential difference of approx 7 db ?

Forget about comparing subs that haven't been measured with the same methods. Especially forget about averaging them since averages do not tell the story of these subs' performances. I very much doubt the performance delta is as wide as you have pictured there.
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So probably the LV12R is 9 db or so down from the FV15HP?
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So probably the LV12R is 9 db or so down from the FV15HP?

It's hard to say, and Rythmik's own comparisons aren't very informative. 9 dB down, maybe, but at what frequency, and with how much distortion present? These subs should be measured, and Ricci's data-bass is the only serious game in town to fairly compare these subs at the moment.
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