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I can get a very good deal on this sub new, I would be using it with a pair of golden ear aons 3's, my room is 15x20, I am mostly music oriented, but some ht, thanks
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what's the price you are getting this sub at?

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Braveheart123 is asking the right question. ID companies like SVS, HSU, PSA, Rythmik, etc. generally offer better value when it comes to subwoofers so depends on what price you're getting the Supercube at.
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Braveheart123 is asking the right question. ID companies like SVS, HSU, PSA, Rythmik, etc. generally offer better value when it comes to subwoofers so depends on what price you're getting the Supercube at.
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For less than $800, any of the following subs will murder SC6000;

PSA XV-15
HSU VTF-3 MK4
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Rythmik LV12R
PB12-NSD

All these subs are ported; call it my bias. If it was my money; I wouldn't waste on def tech subs.
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To answer your title, "opinions on Definitive Super cube 6000": Supercube subs are for people that absolutely have to have an underperforming tiny sub for a small room and don't mind overpaying a lot for it. Listen to what braveheart is telling you in his post smile.gif
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I recommend, outlaw Lfm-1ex or rythmik lv12r.
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To answer your title, "opinions on Definitive Super cube 6000": Supercube subs are for people that absolutely have to have an underperforming tiny sub for a small room and don't mind overpaying a lot for it. Listen to what braveheart is telling you in his post smile.gif

Agree, I looked at the super cube and ruled it out once I saw what the id companies had to offer.

 

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For less than $800, any of the following subs will murder SC6000;

PSA XV-15
HSU VTF-3 MK4
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Rythmik LV12R
PB12-NSD

All these subs are ported; call it my bias. If it was my money; I wouldn't waste on def tech subs.

Absolutely agree. I'm partial to the PSA but that's because I just bought one. Truthfully any of these would be great.

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OP.....these are the published lower and upper frequencies of SC6000 with only 9" active cone. That means nothing. For a novice, that's a death trap if target application is movies. The thing to look for, as a starting point for any novice, is the +/-3dB rating. Which DefTech is very crafty to miss out from their specs.

You can safely assume the -3dB point of this sub to be slightly below mid 30s, which is not going to cut it for movies. I've had SC Reference (bought, in fact, wasted $1800 on it); and that is even a bigger garbage if I consider price/performance ratio. I'm still regretting the day I bought it. Of course, I wasn't on this forum at that time mad.gif

I wonder why DefTech avoids sending subs to Josh Ricci for hair splitting rolleyes.gif.............yeah you guessed it right. They will get exposed eek.gif

All the alternative options I listed before will blow SC6000 like it was never born. They are all tried and tested great value subs. Can't beat em in performance at their listed price point. Choice is yours, at the end of the day wink.gif
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OP.....these are the published lower and upper frequencies of SC6000 with only 9" active cone. That means nothing. For a novice, that's a death trap if target application is movies. The thing to look for, as a starting point for any novice, is the +/-3dB rating. Which DefTech is very crafty to miss out from their specs.

You can safely assume the -3dB point of this sub to be slightly below mid 30s, which is not going to cut it for movies. I've had SC Reference (bought, in fact, wasted $1800 on it); and that is even a bigger garbage if I consider price/performance ratio. I'm still regretting the day I bought it. Of course, I wasn't on this forum at that time mad.gif

I wonder why DefTech avoids sending subs to Josh Ricci for hair splitting rolleyes.gif.............yeah you guessed it right. They will get exposed eek.gif

All the alternative options I listed before will blow SC6000 like it was never born. They are all tried and tested great value subs. Can't beat em in performance at their listed price point. Choice is yours, at the end of the day wink.gif

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For less than $800, any of the following subs will murder SC6000;

PSA XV-15
HSU VTF-3 MK4
Outlaw LFM-1 EX
Rythmik LV12R
PB12-NSD

All these subs are ported; call it my bias. If it was my money; I wouldn't waste on def tech subs.

All of these are excellent choices.
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thanks for all the advise, I ordered the HSU VTF2 -MK4
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thanks for all the advise, I ordered the HSU VTF2 -MK4

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Thanks for the opinions.  I am doing a 7.1 ceiling system (GASP, I know) with (3) Deftech RCS III and (4) RSS III surrounds, but was not sold on the SC4000 or SC6000.  I asked for the CEA-2010 data and frequency response graph and never got a response.  I am pretty much sold on doing dual PSA XV-15se.  

 

I have an enormous family/kitchen open room that is around 30x30x9' high, essentially open to the rest of the house.  I don't think dual SC6000 would even begin to cut it, and I can save 400 dollars to boot.  Listening position will be about 8-10' from the subs.

 

Tom at PSA is confident I will achieve 115-120 db with flat response down to about 16 Hz.  I believe him.  He also told me he had data on the SC2000 and that I would need nine (9) SC2000s to reach the level of one XV15se.  That's ridonkulous!  

 

I'll let you guys know what I think in a couple weeks.

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I am the owner of a Supercube 6000... I can honestly say I am underwhelmed by the performance of the sub. The bass output can go pretty low... According to S&V, the -3dB point is 28Hz. The problem is the electronics. The subwoofer amp detects when the driver is being driven too hard and the amp compresses the dynamic range and limits the peak bass output... So you can get deep bass but you cannot get it loud.

The only thing I can say good about the SC6000 is that it is a small sub, roughly one cubic foot in size. Considering the size, the performance is very good but as I now know, if you want deep bass, you need a BIG subwoofer. On a sidenote, I also had a Sunfire True Subwoofer. It also delivered a lot of bass, but the bass was not tight, quite blubbery sounding.
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No way Supercube 6000. would be suitable for that room, it's ok for small rooms. 30 x 30 feet is massive I'd be looking at dual SVS PB Ultra 13's
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I have dual XV15s and I can say that they are pretty beastly. One is the SE and the other is the original so I plan on upgrading the original to the SE model later this year. But to be honest I really don't need to because the duals play great with one another. Regardless, I have always found Tom to be very upfront and honest and great to work with and if you decide to go the route of dual XV15s I think you will be happy. 

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Tom at PSA is confident I will achieve 115-120 db with flat response down to about 16 Hz.  I believe him.  H
I'll let you guys know what I think in a couple weeks.

8100^3 feet, two above average 15" ported subs............................I'm thinking that 115-120db is quite optimistic.

You won't know for sure until you try but I think you're going to need a LOT more to get to that level and extension.
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Thanks guys.  I love to hear a definitive (pun sort of intended) :D NO against things.  After reading about 100 straight hours on these forums about subwoofers, and comparing data, talking to manufacturers and salespeople, I was going to be going against my better judgement if I went with the supercubes.  Nothing against them per se, but my application and desires would make these a poor and expensive choice.

 

I am upgrading in the new house from a small ported Sony single sub setup that I maybe paid 200 bucks for 10 years ago.  150W/10 inch, flutters below 35 Hz.  The room is sort of similar, pretty large, unsealed and open as a great room, but a little smaller.

 

I had a ported 15" in a hatchback as a kid that would get to 140+ dB so I appreciate some headroom.  115-120 dB would be a little on the loud end for me anyway in my old age :), but I'm trying to strike a balance between dropping under 2k for dual subs and being happy with (and certainly not regretting) the purchase.  I know I would regret 2k on the supercubes, and thank you for you guys confirming that as well.  

 

I have nothing but a good gut feel about the PSAs.

 

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