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Hello,

I am looking for a new sub and have a $500 budget. I am thinking the SVS SB-1000 or the HSU VTF1-mk2. The HSU is a little cheaper, but is larger in size and only a 10"driver. the SVS is smaller with a larger 12" driver, but more expensive.

I am looking for feedback from anyone who has or has heard either one of these. I would like to know if one was better than the other for Home Theater listening. I know one is sealed and the other is ported, so I was not sure how that would factor in.

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For home theater, I would go for a SVS PB1000 over either one of those. And if your room is medium to large, I would go for a Premier Acoustics PA-150 over a PB1000. I really think it's worth it to save up $100 more and go for the VTF2 or Rythmik LV12 over any of them. If you are interested in sealed designs, this Dayton Titanic 4 kit will just clobber all of them above 30 Hz for a combination of output and sound quality. The difference between ported and sealed is the ports produce a lot more low frequency output below a point where the woofer is able to, and this gives them an edge in deep frequency output.
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I will agree with ShadyJ and say that if $500 is a hard max budget I would go with the SVS PB1000. BUT if you can stretch your budget to a max of $600 I would go with the Rythmik LV12R for (I think) $587 shipped.
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Well, I do not have a max budget on the sub. I have a $2000 budget for a complete new 5.1 setup and just figured I would spend $500 for the sub and $500 for the receiver leaving the rest for speakers.

I am trying to keep the size of the sub within a reasonable range. I am not looking for a compact sub, but i am also not looking for a beast that will take up a large footprint. That is why I was a fan of the SVS's size, but wanted to make sure it would be good for HT. Please let me know if there are any other subs I should consider in this size range.

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Your max budget in an HT set up should gravitate around quality subs. I agree with ShadyJ, add up a lil more money and go for Rythmik LV-12R or VTF2. And may be if you can save some more, get another one of the same down the road. This would be your best investment for the years to come.

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For the smallest amount of floor space (footprint) take a look at the SVS PC12NSD. Only takes up a little more than 17^2 inches.

https://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/pc12-nsd#.UoUxUnCOTAk

SVS also has the PB12NSD (the box version) in the outlet section for $699.

And for new prices on SVS subs AVS here sells them but you need to call to get the best price.

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At $500, I would go with the SVS PB-1000; at $600, the HSU VTF-2 or Rythmik LV12R; and at $700, the SVS PC12-NSD.
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At $500, I would go with the SVS PB-1000; at $600, the HSU VTF-2 or Rythmik LV12R; and at $700, the SVS PC12-NSD.

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What about Outlaw subs (Plus and EX)? Are they still highly regarded?
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Outlaw subs are HSU designed and excellent as well. I personally prefer the HSU equivalent as they use newer designs. For example, the LFM-EX is basically an HSU VTF-3 MK2, but HSU is now up to MK4.
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What is your room size? That IMO should be the deciding factor, you have numerous options in the $500-700 range.
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Alright, so I am leaning towards the RythmikLV12R. Mostly because I hear it is a great sub and there is a %5 discount when you by Ascend Acoustic speakers, which is also what I am looking at, so I guess it makes sense just to order them all through the same vendor. However, I probably will not be placing the order for another week or two, so who knows. I still do like the HSU VTF2 and they would both be around the same price.

The size of the enclosure is not an issue, but I only have two placement options for the sub. Both locations are very close to the main listening position, so I am not sure if that makes a difference. Also in case I did not mention it the room is medium in size with 80% HT and 20% music.

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Definitely up the budget on the sub, and I'd drop the budget a little on the receiver. $300-ish on a fully functional receiver will be great. Just don't skimp on the main speakers either! The front 3 are most important! If you do 3 identical bookshelf units across the front, you'll be set.

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The only problem with buying a $300 receiver is Audyssey. At best a $300 receiver will have Audyssey 2EQ. Even my Onkyo 808 which MSRP $1100 but I paid $563 for it only has Mult EQ. IMO the version of Audyssey is basically the most important feature on new receivers. Cuz all new receivers have HDMI and decode HD Audio. Now you can look at places like accessories4less.com to buy refurb receivers usually for about half price. My 808 was refurb and never an issue with it.

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What is your room size? That IMO should be the deciding factor, you have numerous options in the $500-700 range.

I think this is an important question. Unless I missed it somewhere and you told us the size of your room, we can't give you the best advice possible regarding the the right sub. The larger the room the more sub you will need to pressurize it, especially if it is an open floor plan. 

 

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At $500, I would go with the SVS PB-1000; at $600, the HSU VTF-2 or Rythmik LV12R; and at $700, the SVS PC12-NSD.

And at $800 I would add in PSA XV15.

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I don't know the exact measurements of the room, but I would say that it is medium in size. Long and narrow but not open at all.

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I would measure it when you get the chance because I was shocked at the cubic feet in my room when I calculated it. I thought I had a medium size room around 2500 cu ft in only to find it closer to 3500 cu ft. But if its a medium sized room I think the options that are listed in this thread should serve you well.

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Update: I went with the SVS PB12-NSD! It was a tough decision, but I think I will be happy with my purchase. I am pairing this sub with a Polk RTiA3 bookshelf setup and Yamaha RX-V575 receiver. I will run the YPOA, but am assuming that I should set it up with an 80Hz crossover point and front speakers set to small. If anyone has any setup tips, please let me know. I would appreciate any help in getting the most out of this setup.

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Even though Polk rates those speakers down below 80 hz I would also try 100 hz as well.
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Even though Polk rates those speakers down below 80 hz I would also try 100 hz as well.

I will admit I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to setup and crossover points. Can you tell me what I will listen for between 100Hz vs 80Hz and what types of media to use for testing?

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I think the RTi-a3s are able to handle being crossed over at 80hz. I'm running them as my wide channels in a 7.1 system and I have them crossed at 80 hz and it sounds fine. If you had the RTi-a1s then I think you might want to cross over at 90 or 100 hz however. 

 

If you feel like you are missing some mid-bass then you can cross over higher and let the PB12 do the work, which wouldn't be a bad idea anyway because that's a very good subwoofer.

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That's why I would try and see how it sounds at 100hz. Your sub likely has more output at 80hz than your speakers do. More mid bass.

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That's why I would try and see how it sounds at 100hz. Your sub likely has more output at 80hz than your speakers do. More mid bass.

I agree.

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Congrats! Let us know how you like your new setup and post some pics.

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