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My dedicated theater room is nearing completion and I'm trying to decide which subwoofer to purchase. My room size is 19x13x8 and my max budget is $600.

I'm currently trying to decide between these 3 subs:

Rythmik LV12R
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html

HSU VTF-2 MK4
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html

Dayton T1204K 12" DIY kit
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-t1204k-12-titanic-mk-4-500-watt-rms-subwoofer-kit--300-762



This will be used 95% for HT and video games. I don't listen to much music. I've heard that the Dayton kit will blow the other two away in terms of output - is this true? I value sound quality just as much as output. I wish I had a way to demo these, but I will be purchasing solely on recommendations from this forum.

I'd appreciate anyone's feedback, and any links to comparisons, reviews, or good information that might help with my decision.

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If the LFM-1 EX goes down to $549 around Black Friday, it will be a contender also. How does it compare to the other subs?

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html
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I would stay away from the kit especially considering you’re into HT.

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The kit won't have as much bass below 30 hz or so than the other subs. However it should be quite a bit better above that point, even better than the Outlaw EX. The EXs don't hit $550 anymore, Outlaw says they are not going to discount that sub that low again. It might be $600, if you are lucky. It will be substantially more powerful than the VTF2 and LV12r in deep bass and probably at all frequencies. However, given the specs on the Dayton driver, the T1204K may be able to beat it above 30, 35 hz or so. I would say if you are concerned about high quality dynamic performance above 30 Hz, go for the Dayton, but if you are chasing real deep frequencies, see what the Outlaw deal is on Black Friday.
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However, given the specs on the Dayton driver, the T1204K may be able to beat it above 30, 35 hz or so. I would say if you are concerned about high quality dynamic performance above 30 Hz, go for the Dayton,


I dunno?? Past experience with the 15” MK III up against some vented and sealed 12”s and 15”s might suggest that if it did surpass at 30-35hz, it might not be much at all if any?? The SPA500 is most likely around 350 watts +- also. We both know under it won’t, which is very conducive to the HT experience.

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I dunno?? Past experience with the 15” MK III up against some vented and sealed 12”s and 15”s might suggest that if it did surpass at 30-35hz, it might not be much at all if any?? The SPA500 is most likely around 350 watts +- also. We both know under it won’t, which is very conducive to the HT experience.

The Parameters on the Titanic mk 4 driver suggest a very high performing sub. It's doubtful the Rythmik and Hsu drivers will be able to match what it can do. Regarding the SPA500, I don't see why it wouldn't give 540 watts at 4 ohms like it is advertised. If there are measurements contrary to its claims, I would be interested in seeing them. As for conducive home theater experiences, amazing 30 Hz+ bass will be far better than pretty good 20 hz+ bass and I think would be preferred by more people. I don't think it would be outweighed by the Outlaw EX's deep bass performance though.
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I dunno? the SPA1000 came in at like 650-660. I'm taking for granted the 500 would translate out the same but admittedly that’s only a shmedgucated guess.

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Do you have a link for that? And at what impedance were those measurements taken at?
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Do you have a link for that? And at what impedance were those measurements taken at?

I’ll track it down for yuh and PM it your way. Give me a few days or so, but it’s definitely out there. Chuck had a long thread going testing out all kinds of everyday amps at 2-4-8.

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Hey thed, if you could do one of these it would decimate the subs being spoken of. You’d be sitting good! http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/classifieds-speakers-subwoofers/67341-svs-pc-12-one-pair.html

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Hey thed, if you could do one of these it would decimate the subs being spoken of. You’d be sitting good! http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/classifieds-speakers-subwoofers/67341-svs-pc-12-one-pair.html

Those look nice, but I am going to stick with my $600 budget. The other problem with that sub is it would not fit on my stage under the screen.
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The VTF-2 MK4 changes all that. It allows you, the user, to choose the tradeoff. If you enjoy music that is loud but does not have much deep bass, set the VTF series for maximum output. That way, you get maximum dynamic range with the lowest distortion. If you like music with deep bass, set it for maximum bass extension to reproduce the deep bass accurately. You can even switch between the two modes depending on what you play. That means effectively you get a subwoofer that can play loudly, and can play low, all in one, at a reasonable price!

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This will be used 95% for HT and video games. I don't listen to much music. I've heard that the Dayton kit will blow the other two away in terms of output - is this true? I value sound quality just as much as output. I wish I had a way to demo these, but I will be purchasing solely on recommendations from this forum.

Given your predilections, the LFM-1 EX should probably be near the top of your list. The Rythmik and HSU are known more for precision and accuracy, while the Outlaw lends itself toward total output and "slam". I convinced a buddy of mine to pick up the LFM-1 last year during the annual Black Friday sale -- and I've reviewed the LV12R -- so those two I'm very familiar with. Both have a lot to offer, but for different reasons. Since you want something primarily for HT and gaming the Outlaw subwoofer is probably one you should strongly consider.

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Great news! Outlaw has the LFM-1 EX on sale for $599 with free shipping. I'm purchasing one today.
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