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post #1 of 9 Old 11-26-2013, 08:39 AM - Thread Starter
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Good morning, looking for some opinions on a possible upgrade that I am considering. I am currently running a complete Energy system: RC-50's for mains, RC-LCR center, RC-10's for surround and a Energy S12.3. My receiver is a Denon 3312. The room is a dedicated theater area (approximately 2300 cu ft), and I would say a 70/30 movie/music mix.

I am interested in the opinions as to whether the Outlaw LFT-1 EX will be a noticeable upgrade over my current sub. I have done a little research and I am aware that the Outlaw is a highly regarded sub, especially at the current price point. It should go deeper than the Energy, but I'm not sure how this will translate into real world experience. If I can sell the Energy the upgrade will be a little more palatable to the wife, but another option may be running the Energy AND the Outlaw?? I believe that the Denon 3312 can EQ dual subs, but I am not sure how well they would interact.

Interested in opinions and individual experiences with either of these subs.

Many thanks in advance!
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The outlaw is a big step up. It will dig lower and play louder.

The 3312 can't eq dual subs. It has one distance setting for all subs.
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Without a doubt the outlaw lfm-ex is a huge upgrade. You might as well get 2 outlaw lfm-ex since they are on sale at a great price.
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The S12.3 was a good sub back in the day. It had very good distortion numbers. The Outlaw will dig a lot deeper, but I don't think it will play as clean when pushed hard, although it should be able to get louder. It's not a huge upgrade, from what I know it would be more like a lateral move. I think you could run the two together without a problem since they are roughly alike in output capability.
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I would think the Outlaw would be a nice step up and getting two would be a huge step up. :D


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The Outlaw would absolutely be an upgrade.
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I had the comparable mirage Omni S12 and loved it, still wish i never sold it since they are now rare and hard to find. I upgraded to an MFW-15 and just got an ed a7s-450 and could tell the mirage didn't dig as deep. Just by looking at the specs of the Outlaw and happy customers u cant go wrong.

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Thanks all for the opinions. I did end up grabbing the Outlaw, just couldn't pass up the good sale price! Looking forward to seeing how it will sound in my room. I have to say the Energy really has been a great sub, especially considering I only paid $200ish for it a couple years ago. I will probably try and use both, can anyone point me in the general direction of a thread for setting up dual subs that are not identical? I tried searching for a while but it seems that most people use two of the same sub.
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 I tried searching for a while but it seems that most people use two of the same sub.

 For good reason. It's possible to set up two different subs, especially if they are similar but it takes more effort (sometimes a lot more) than if they're identical. And the less alike the subs are the harder it is. 


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