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Hi Guys,
My current 12" subwoofer just crapped out and I'm looking for a replacement. I have had a quick look at the b&w pv1d in white and the Klipsch SW-112.
My budget is just over the 1k mark. AUD
I listen to ALL kinds of music and movies.
My room is approx 18x16' and it will be placed at the back of the room just behind my lounge.

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SVS PB12-NSD

SVS' authorized dealers in Australia are:

Final Link Audio
+61 03 9746 0394
Email: info@finallink.com.au
Website: http://www.finallink.com.au

Deep Hz Audio
0434 550 782
Email: sales@deephzaudio.com
Website: http://www.deephzaudio.com

Deep Hz Audio lists the PB12-NSD at $899 AUD.
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Thanks for the suggestion eljay. Is there any subs I should take a look at?
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Hmmm....I think maybe the SVS PB12-NSD. smile.gif
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Great advice from Eljay. He even did all the leg work as well. I agree with both of his posts. That sub should meet your needs and it is highly respected for it's sound quality and build quality. Plus SVS is a great company with excellent customer service, you can't go wrong. And you should even have a little left over (but I don't know your tax situation).

Maybe down the road you can save up and go dual PB12-NSDs, that would be even better.
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No more stock at deep hz, as it's being replaced. I would love a new sub before Christmas!
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That stinks, sorry to hear they are out of stock. Any idea of how long you may have to wait?

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What about at Final Link?

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A possible alternative to the PB12-NSD is its "little brother", the PB-1000 ($699 at Deep Hz). According to Ed Mullen of SVS:
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The PB-1000 performance envelope (FR, max output, bandwidth uniformity) is similar to the PB12-NSD - it just can't play quite as loud. So if you love the PB12-NSD's overall performance characteristics, you'll feel right at home with a PB-1000.

And here's a good review on it: SVS PB1000 and SB1000 Subwoofers
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What about at Final Link?

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A possible alternative to the PB12-NSD is its "little brother", the PB-1000 ($699 at Deep Hz). According to Ed Mullen of SVS:
And here's a good review on it: SVS PB1000 and SB1000 Subwoofers
Thanks for the response!
I have asked if they have the plus in stock, any thoughts on that model?
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Great sub. But it's priced considerably above the $1,000 AUD mark. If that doesn't bother you, go for it! smile.gif
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Thanks for the response!
I have asked if they have the plus in stock, any thoughts on that model?

Yeah, eljay's right. That's a great sub but more expensive. It was the sub I was going to originally suggest to you but then I saw your budget. However, if you're willing to blow past your original budget then the PB12+ would be a great choice. :D 

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However, if you're willing to blow past your original budget then the PB12+ would be a great choice. biggrin.gif

And if you blow past your budget, don't be blue. Most who come here, end up totally blowing through several budgets before making a choice. tongue.gif
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I didn't really want to go past 1k, but on paper the plus looks like a great sub. Is it worth twice as much as the pb12-NSD?
There is a seller in eBay who stock the NSD, so I can get that model in required.

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If it helps, not trying to be flip, I didn't want to go past $900.00. biggrin.gif

My journey started with learning how to dial our pre-existing subwoofer system in. Then it became about getting the best out of what we had as I replaced drivers/radiators and purchased an additional outboard EQ system (Anti-Mode 8033S II) to compliment the existing Audyssey MultEQ XT that was included with the recently upgraded AVR. Continuing, we (I) added a third subwoofer and for the first time, subwoofer wise, the room came alive. At this point, I've put six months and a thousand dollars into this journey. For education purposes, I consider this money well spent.

After going through the above, I realized, to get where I wanted to go, I would have to go to the "Dark Side" and jump in and get all dirty, throwing any rational budget to the wind. From my above experience, it was patently clear, to get to where I wanted to go, it wasn't going happen on a nine hundred dollar budget.

Well, here we are, you asking about a thousand dollar budget and me waiting for $2,600.00 worth of subwoofers to arrive and I, keeping my options open to adding a third subwoofer to the mix. Based on all I've learned, trying to stay close to your stated budget, I would recommend starting your journey with a pair of Rythmik LV12Rs, download a freeware copy of REW, learn how to get the best out of these two subwoofers and keep your options open to a third or fourth LV12R.

In my opinion, based on personal experience, that would be the most rational approach. Later, when you realize that the "Dark Side" is where you really want to go, then you'll better understand why I post what I posted above.

Hope my above helps clarify my comments.
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^^^ Good advice Beeman but in this case the OP is in Australia so (IMO) the shipping makes anything that is not in stock in Australia cost prohibitive. 

 

But be of good cheer johninperth because your SVS options are excellent and you should be very happy with either the NSD or the Plus.

 

Is the plus worth double the price? I think that will have to depend on what you expect to get out of your subs. Personally I would say if you're going to blow the budget go dual NSDs before a single PB12+. But dual subs are usually recommended over a single sub because it smooths out the bass over more listening positions. But if you only have room for one sub a PB12+ is an excellent choice.

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^^^ Good advice Beeman but in this case the OP is in Australia so (IMO) the shipping makes anything that is not in stock in Australia cost prohibitive.

Well, being Australian has to be worth a bunch. I've read stories that Australia is worse than those poor folks in Canada. Totally whiffed the Australian angle.

Working with the OP, Hopinater, SVS and everybody else, I'd look at two subs for room smoothing issues and a pair of SB-1000 would be a good starting point.

If buying a single sub, I'd give consideration to the SB12-NSD or the PC12-Plus with an eye on a second one as soon as possible. Based on specifications, I consider both of these subs to have special qualities well worth making them a consideration. Of the two, I would go for the PC12-Plus for both extension and output but one is looking at approximately $1,400.00 AUD vs $727.00 AUD. (I did a USD to AUD conversion)

Lastly, I would seriously consider downloading and getting a copy of REW up and running. A properly dialed in subwoofer system, in of itself, is an excellent upgrade that will improve the overall performance of "ANY" subwoofer system one can afford.

Sorry for the totally off base recommendation.

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So much valuable advice, so many options, mind melting!!!!
Well I have it narrowed down to these three:
SVS PB12-NSD $899 delivered
SVS PB12-plus $1549 delivered oak or cherry
As above gloss $1849
SVS PC12-plus $1599 delivered
I don't have room for two subs..
Thanks
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Depending on room aesthetics, if the budget can handle it, I'd go with either the PB12-Plus or the PC12-Plus.

In this case, always go with the deepest extension, coupled with the most output. Your emotions will thank you later. tongue.gif

Just saying. As beautiful as the piano black (glossy) is, it becomes a maintenance issue of always having to keep it dusted. Unless one likes dusting, it can become a bit of a nuisance.
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Although the PB12-NSD would likely work very well in your HT space, if you're comfortable with the price of the P*-Plus subs, get one of those instead. You'll get the output and extension you want / need, and you won't be left wondering "What if...?"

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The basic axiom is, "You can never have enough subwoofage."

Murphy's law states: If you don't have enough subwoofage, you will always be unhappy. Well Murphy didn't actually say that but if he had ever purchased subwoofers, he would have. tongue.gif
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I tried all my local hifi stores, and none of them seemed to have anything that could match the SVS (on paper at least) for the same price point. Any thoughts on that?
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Yup: Buy an SVS sub. biggrin.gif
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Yup, as we said earlier, the SVS subs are the way to go for you johninperth. Sounds like you're thinking more and more of blowing past that original budget. And since you don't have room for dual subs, I would go with the PC12+ and rest easy at night knowing that you have one great subwoofer and as eljay said you won't have to wonder "What If".

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I just ordered the pc12-plus, and it should be here this Thursday!
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Congratulations.

If I might encourage, so as to get the best out of the arrival of your subwoofer order, if you haven't already, download a freeware copy of REW, purchase a measuring microphone and a digital sound meter. With these sound tools you will be able to measure your room's acoustical response to the subwoofer's output and properly dial your single subwoofer in for best performance at the main listening position.

A properly dialed in subwoofer system is an upgrade. A poorly integrated subwoofers system will, quite literally, steal a huge amount of performance and rob the user of the performance they're expecting out of their newly purchased subwoofer system. And just to be clear, there's zero chance of successfully dialing your system in to max efficiency without benefit of room measuring gear.

Just saying as you have a very, very good subwoofer coming in and my recommendation is to encourage you to get the best out of what you've just ordered.
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Thank you so much for the input guys, you have been more than a help.

Is there somewhere online I could buy the sound meter and microphone from? I guess the thing I really need is a site that tells me what I'm looking for with those pieces of kit. I can just imagine my wife when she walks in in I'm sitting in the middle of the room with sound meters and a microphones like I'm some sortve pro, she will just shake her head and walk away!
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A good plug-and-play alternative to REW + mic + SPL meter is the Dayton OmniMic v2.

This Australian site lists it at $299 AUD.

(I have an OmniMic v1. Although I don't use it often - because I don't have a need to - it has been very useful to me on a number of occasions. cool.gif )
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Is there somewhere online I could buy the sound meter and microphone from?

Do you have an Australian equivalent to Amazon?
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