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The subs I have now bottom out on some scenes I like a lot (SW Ep 3 space battle, Star Trek 2009 opening scene, Chamber of Secrets basilisk fight) but I'm yearning for more bass/rumble and I really feel they are now the weak link in my setup as a whole. I like the idea of dual subs and how they even out the room response, and have considered the SVS PB12-NSD and PSA XV15 in dual configurations. The PSA option is about $200 more.

I've wondered though, should I just get one much better sub, such as the PB12-Plus? Is it that much better to warrant twice the cost, or will I be better off with two PB12-NSDs? I'm looking for the thunderous rumble, chest impact type of bass you get from movies. I've looked up countless threads and am still undecided, and would like some current advice (lots of the threads concerning mentioned subs were old) and I'm not trying to spend more than what's considered. I don't want to go DIY.

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I can't advise you on the subs you've listed above but I know what its like to have subs bottom out during movie scenes. I had klipsch KSW 300's which were great but occasionally the bottom end would collapse during high level playback. It's very nice to not have this happen anymore and makes the movie experience much more enjoyable. I know your not wanting to spend more than what you've mentioned but you could almost throw a JTR or Seaton sub into the mix if you were prepared to buy used. I own JTR and have heard Seaton Submersive and can say with confidence these subs deliver in spades the kind of output which makes watching movies a truly visceral and dynamic experience which it sounds like your after. I'll be interested to see what suggestions are put forward and I'm sure you'll end up with something more than capable at that price.

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You have a very nice looking HT. 

 

I would advise getting two subs of what ever you choose because dual subs will smooth out the bass throughout the listening positions in the room (just as you stated). For that reason I think I would recommend either the XV15 or the PB12-NSD because you are considering getting two of them. 

 

I can tell you I have the PSA XV15 and will say that it's a very good subwoofer and I highly recommend it. It digs very deep, has clean bass and is powerful. Right now I'm running a single XV15 while I save up for the 2nd but it still does a great job all by itself in my HT which is about 3300 cu ft. I just watched Pacific Rim and Elysium this past week and it never broke a sweat and I was listening to it LOUD. So I think two of them in your HT would be great.  

 

With that said, I was very close to buying the PB12-NSD and I'm very confident if I had I would be very happy right now. Also, SVS allows you free shipping both ways so there is no risk for trying them out. 

 

But, if somehow you could do as AJ72 suggested and get either a Seaton or a JTR sub, that would be great. Sadly I can't afford them but if I could I would own them right now. 

 

One more thought, have you looked at getting a single Rythmik FV15HP? If I were going to go with a single sub that cost $1500 or below that would be the one. 

 

Have fun with your search. :) 

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For that chest pumping bass I think it would be tough to beat the PSA XS30, 126 average from 20-63Hz. Debating about getting one of those myself. Your room isn't that big so one should be fine and you could add another later, I read a post from Tom V from PSA stating that one sub placed in the right spot is more than enough for most rooms. I'd go with one better sub now and another of the same later.
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^^^ That's good advice.

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Beautiful theater, but why the Klipsch Icon speakers? Just curious.

Anyways, two PSAs would be awesome!
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Beautiful theater, but why the Klipsch Icon speakers? Just curious.

Anyways, two PSAs would be awesome!

Why the need to criticize his speakers.....maybe he likes them, maybe they're what fit his budget. Don't be a rude jerk.
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The Icons were my first dive into towers about a year ago, (thank you 2012 best buy black friday deal!), and since then I've made it a goal to match the towers with the rest of the set, and they fit my budget nicely. To me, I never really found them lacking in the sound department (the towers), and for right now would rather invest in better subs. I'm beginning to be more interested in upgrading to some RF-82s in the future though, just not now.

And thanks everyone for your advice, I'll probably end up getting two PB12-NSDs as SVS has excellent customer service, free return shipping, 45 day trial, and they are decently priced.

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Dual PB12-NSDs ordered!!!

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Sweet, you should be very happy when they arrive. Congratulations. :)

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SVS is a solid choice and they also offer a one year trade up so if 11 months from now you want to upgrade to the plus or ultras you can... Their SB13 Ultra is on my list. Enjoy your subs

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Those dual NSDs are going to blow your mind.

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Those dual NSDs are going to blow your mind.

That's what I'm hoping for! When the shuttlecraft lands in the opening scene of Star Trek 2009, I want it to feel like that ship just landed out side in real life. haha

Or when the Enterprise is firing it's torpedoes, or when it goes to warp, etc.

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The Icons were my first dive into towers about a year ago, (thank you 2012 best buy black friday deal!), and since then I've made it a goal to match the towers with the rest of the set, and they fit my budget nicely. To me, I never really found them lacking in the sound department (the towers), and for right now would rather invest in better subs. I'm beginning to be more interested in upgrading to some RF-82s in the future though, just not now.

And thanks everyone for your advice, I'll probably end up getting two PB12-NSDs as SVS has excellent customer service, free return shipping, 45 day trial, and they are decently priced.

I have the older Klipsch Synergy F3 system with the matching towers, center and surrounds. Most of my use for them is movies and I think they're great for the price. I auditioned the PB12-NSD and can tell you it's a very good sub.
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That's what I'm hoping for! When the shuttlecraft lands in the opening scene of Star Trek 2009, I want it to feel like that ship just landed out side in real life. haha

Or when the Enterprise is firing it's torpedoes, or when it goes to warp, etc.

 A couple other scenes to check out when you get them.

 

Star Trek Into the Darkness: When Spock is inside the volcano and the lava starts to rise there is some really deep bass

 

Kung Fu Panda: The final battle scene with the tiger. Po performs his Skidoosh move which goes really low.

 

Super 8: The train wreck scene in the beginning of the movie. Some pretty intense impact impact like bass that I love to use as a demonstration movie.

 

World War Z: Second Grenade explosion like 1:05:31 into the movie.

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Why the need to criticize his speakers.....maybe he likes them, maybe they're what fit his budget. Don't be a rude jerk.

Lol, please mark and quote me where I criticized anything.

I merely asked why he chose them.

How is that criticism? Literally asked why he chose those speakers.
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Lol, please mark and quote me where I criticized anything.

I merely asked why he chose them.

How is that criticism? Literally asked why he chose those speakers.

FWIW I thought you were just asking out of curiosity myself.  

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Lol, please mark and quote me where I criticized anything.

I merely asked why he chose them.

How is that criticism? Literally asked why he chose those speakers.

Let's just say your question doesn't come across with an air of simple curiosity (to me anyway)...... "Nice theater, but why the Klipsch Icon speakers" If I'm wrong , you have my apology.
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It's all good, I didn't take any offense to the question.

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Let's just say your question doesn't come across with an air of simple curiosity (to me anyway)...... "Nice theater, but why the Klipsch Icon speakers" If I'm wrong , you have my apology.

I read it just as you did. The way he typed his sentence makes the word "but" say something in contrast to an early statement. So since he says nice theater then follows it up with a ",but" and ask why he chose those speakers. That would imply that those speakers are contrasting to the word nice.
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I read it just as you did. The way he typed his sentence makes the word "but" say something in contrast to an early statement. So since he says nice theater then follows it up with a ",but" and ask why he chose those speakers. That would imply that those speakers are contrasting to the word nice.

He said he didnt, move on...

Nice choice OP im in the same boat 2 pb12 nsds or one plus. Also waiting to see what new subs svs comes out with next year, there are talks of a new pb12 nsd
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A new PB12 NSD or PB-2000?
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Yes! The new ones are a little larger wink.gif
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Yes! The new ones are a little larger wink.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Those are not SVS subwoofers. You posted that same picture in 2007 on hometheatershack.com and called them Two Sono LLT's

 

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/diy-subwoofers-general-discussion/1442-show-off-your-soundsplinter-masterpieces.html

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LOL I couldn’t pass that up ain, appreciate the laugh biggrin.gifcool.gif

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LOL you had me there for a minute steve. 

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Lol, I fig you would of known right off the bat wink.gif I do see how it could fool a guy though. The OP should be getting his new PB-NSD's soon I would think??

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