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Now thats an awesome looking (and sounding I'm sure) home theater set-up Eljay !!

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Question...

I am very new to home theatre's and am considering one of these subs. I would like to go with the massive pb-2000, but the positioning could be a problem. I understand that every room is different and the only way to truly find the best position is trial and error but I am hoping you guys can help steer me in the right direction to the best of your knowledge. If I got with the pb-2000 I am limited to only three different spots I can place it without it becoming an eye sore resulting in my wife being unhappy.

Based on the picture will any of these area's be ideal for maximizing efficiency of the sub? If not I will probably go with the sb-2000.

room dimensions: 20x16 ft 8 1/2 ft cielings 2600 cu ft roughly. Carpet floors, Leathers sectional, the end table can be removed if necessary but is not a solid piece of furniture.

rc-70's are the front speakers, rc-10s are wall mounted rear's, rc-lcr center.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thanks guys


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A PB-2000 at option 3 and another one in the opposite corner. The diagram makes it look like it would fit there. If the opposite of the room is too small then maybe a SB-2000 there. I highly recommend 2. But if you can only go one right now. The PB-2000 right behind the couch at option #3 would be very nice.

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Why not option 1? Because of missing punch at hot spot?
Usually putting the sub in front takes localization away?
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I would go with a single PB-2000 at option 1 and call it a day. I didn't see the OP list multiple subs as an option, so a single sub in the front left corner would work great. That's where I have my PSA XV15 located, and it's incredible.

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My hope would be they would release a PC-2000 by the end of the year, but I'm taking a chance with that, it might not happen.

Why not a PC12-Plus?
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Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thanks guys

Option 3 and you need to put one in the front right corner to the right of the television for room smoothing issues. You have a room that needs, at minimum, two subwoofers.
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Question...

I am very new to home theatre's and am considering one of these subs. I would like to go with the massive pb-2000, but the positioning could be a problem. I understand that every room is different and the only way to truly find the best position is trial and error but I am hoping you guys can help steer me in the right direction to the best of your knowledge. If I got with the pb-2000 I am limited to only three different spots I can place it without it becoming an eye sore resulting in my wife being unhappy.

Based on the picture will any of these area's be ideal for maximizing efficiency of the sub? If not I will probably go with the sb-2000.

room dimensions: 20x16 ft 8 1/2 ft cielings 2600 cu ft roughly. Carpet floors, Leathers sectional, the end table can be removed if necessary but is not a solid piece of furniture.

rc-70's are the front speakers, rc-10s are wall mounted rear's, rc-lcr center.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated, Thanks guys




Your plan is fine, the sb-2000 placed as shown is plenty adequate. Any of the three.

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Why not a PC12-Plus?

Not willing to spend $1200 on a single sub. Already had one in the house and sent it back, too late to try again. My plan is a sub around $700 and eventually either a PB-1000 or SB-2000 to replace the lower end model I have now.

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Not willing to spend $1200 on a single sub. Already had one in the house and sent it back, too late to try again. My plan is a sub around $700 and eventually either a PB-1000 or SB-2000 to replace the lower end model I have now.

Thanks for the reply.

Hopefully you'll reconsider on both accounts, the output capacity of the subwoofer and adding a second one. In my opinion, yes, it makes a "HUGE," noticeable difference.

(just saying, I came from RW-12D and equivalents)
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Thanks for the reply.

Hopefully you'll reconsider on both accounts, the output capacity of the subwoofer and adding a second one. In my opinion, yes, it makes a "HUGE," noticeable difference.

(just saying, I came from RW-12D and equivalents)

You are nice Bee and you want the best for me (bass wise :P) But I already had a PC12-Plus in my house and didn't give it proper time to demo. I'm not going to put SVS through the trouble of sending another plus when I already had a chance to demo it. It was either gonna be a PC12-Plus as a single sub, or the thought of hopefully one day there being a PC-2000. At that point I only have room for either a PB-1000 or SB-2000 in the second spot. I think my goal would be hopefully a PC-2000 and SB-2000 combo. That would be the best I could do with my limited room. My PC12-NSD and RW12d already get down low enough for me and provide enough punch, I just want to clean things up a bit. So you could imagine if they ever release a PC-2000 that replacing the NSD and a SB-2000 replacing an RW12d should do quite a nice job.

Now that I think of it I think that is my goal, so now just the wait for them to release a new PC-2000 some day. When that happens I will upgrade and buy the SB-2000 at the same time.

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Now that I think of it I think that is my goal, so now just the wait for them to release a new PC-2000 some day. When that happens I will upgrade and buy the SB-2000 at the same time.

You're going be mixing a SB-2000 with a PC-2000; sealed and ported? confused.gif

If you can, can you go with a pair of PB-2000s and call it a day?
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Option 3 and you need to put one in the front right corner to the right of the television for room smoothing issues. You have a room that needs, at minimum, two subwoofers.

I know your opinion is that multiple subs are the only route to go, and that's fine, but you always telling others that they *need* multiple subs to have a good sounding system is just wrong. The OP is clearly new to home theater and came here for help asking about a single sub and where he should place it. You do what you always do, and not just recommend multiple subs, but you tell him that he NEEDS multiple subs. There are many, many awesome sounding systems on the planet that use only a single sub. In fact, I guarantee that that they are the majority, and a large one at that.

To the OP DrewRosenHouse , multiple subs in a room can help smooth out bass response at most positions when compared to a single sub, but that comes with a price. You have two ugly black boxes laying around the living room that you have to talk your significant other into and two subs are much harder to setup properly, and takes a fair amount of experience to get right.

As I said earlier, *most* people will place a sub in a corner, run their AVR's calibration tool, and call it a day. A corner is not always the best place in every room, but it's usually one of the safest places to start. Corner loading will increase overall output at the cost of being the most accurate, and placing the sub into the room will do the opposite.

Those of us that have wives and kids and are using our living rooms as our home theater, we have certain obstacles that have to be hurdled when compared to single people that live alone. My wife loves our living room based system and puts up with tower speakers on each side of the display as well as a huge XV15 sub in the corner. The sub has to live in that corner because it's what she asked of me, and I respect her and have no problem with that restriction.

So ultimately, there is no right or wrong placement for a sub, pick the 1,2 or 3 spots where you can place it without making someone else unhappy, and give it a go. Whichever spot you think it sounds best, is the right spot. If it sounds the same to you at each location, then just pick the spot where fits best into the room............. And then enjoy! smile.gif
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I know your opinion is that multiple subs are the only route to go, and that's fine, but you always telling others that they *need* multiple subs to have a good sounding system is just wrong.

Actually it's not but I'm not going lambast you for not thinking like me.

Good advice is good advice and if it don't matter if one is a beginner or a seasoned veteran, good advice, is good advice. What one chooses to do with good advice is none of my business and if someone chooses to disagree with me, that's okay also. The reciprocation, you disagreeing with me doesn't make me wrong, nor does it give me permission to lambast you for not agreeing with me.

Placement, measurements, the need to smooth modes and capable EQ'g gear.....is everything, even if someone comes here and tells me it's not.

It's sure a good thing that my wife and I.....respect each other and understand, it's "OUR" house that we share, not her or my house that we covet.

There is a "right" place for a subwoofer and the subwoofer determines where the best location is. Humans don't, the subwoofer does. It's up to the human to decide if they're going listen to what the subwoofer has to say on the issue. Subwoofers do not care what you, I, the wife or the lamppost has to say on the matter. Room modes determine how subwoofers and the acoustics of the room are going interact. Not a wife, you, me, kids or the cat. The only choice a human has is to decide if they're going pay attention or not.

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Amen. The caveat being is what is best for the OP taking his or her many variables into account in short. One could go on pages writing about this.

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One could go on pages writing about this.

Please don't encourage me. tongue.gif
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Actually it's not but I'm not going lambast your for not thinking like me.

You need to read the question that is being asked, as well as who is asking it. He asked which model sub he should use, a PB-2000 or SB-2000 and where we think *might* be the best place to locate it. He also said that he is new to home theater, is using his living room / den or some other shared room for his home theater and that he has a wife who he needs to take into consideration as well. He mentioned nothing about multiple subs being an option. You could've answered his question and then asked him if he ever thought about going with multiple subs, but that is not what you did.

I am not the proclaimed AVS police by any means, but I have seen many a post from you just like the one in question, and I wanted to make sure that your advice didn't completely scare off a person that is new to home theater.
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Please don't encourage me. tongue.gif

Lol, I would only try to encourage you to read D Bones last post and call it good. smile.gif

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Sooooooo, back to these great subs... I have a major problem with my dual PB-2000s. They are causing me to re-watch my Blu-ray collection and I don't know how I'm going to get through 800+ discs fast enough. I'm hearing/feeling sounds from movies I've seen several times that I've never heard/felt before with my old Velodyne CT-8. Iron Man 2 was like a brand new movie for me.

Personally I like the in your face attitude that 2 large subs project but I can see how they could be too obtrusive in certain rooms.
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You're going be mixing a SB-2000 with a PC-2000; sealed and ported? confused.gif

If you can, can you go with a pair of PB-2000s and call it a day?

Won't fit. It's not in my budget right now. My budget is to keep the PC12-NSD and pay that off, then think of a replacement for the RW12d a year into the future.

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Won't fit. It's not in my budget right now. My budget is to keep the PC12-NSD and pay that off, then think of a replacement for the RW12d a year into the future.

How long ago did you buy the PC12?

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Lol, I would only try to encourage you to read D Bones last post and call it good. smile.gif

The best I can do is ignore them as they just want to argue as oppose to understand. Too many people here with control issues who think they need to control everybody not like them. D Bones is welcome to respond to questions in a fashion that makes them happy and I will continue doing the same just as I suspect you will continue responding in a fashion you find acceptable.

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Won't fit.

According to what I read and understood, you suggested that you were going be mixing ported with sealed, hence my question.

This is what I was responding too:

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Now that I think of it I think that is my goal, so now just the wait for them to release a new PC-2000 some day. When that happens I will upgrade and buy the SB-2000 at the same time.

To my eyes, the comment is a bit confusing and I was asking for a clarification.
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Thanks for the advice everyone.. I said wife, but really she's my girlfriend. I was too embarrassed to admit my girlfriend, who doesn't even live with me has a influence in my home theater arrangement redface.gif

I have never owned a surround sound system or any decent audio system (klipsch promedia 2.1 being the best) before and just recently purchased an Energy speakers from the frys deal(rc-70's, rc-10's rc-lcr). I would consider 2 subs but the pb-2000 would be a very big eye sore in the front right corner of the room. I could maybe do the smaller sb-2000? over there but from what I gathered the ported version will offer significantly gains at lower frequency.

the scenario's im considering are

-buy 1 pb-2000, try it out and if I find it lacking, purchase a 2nd. Try different configurations(option 1&3?) and if using the front right corner is absolutely necessary just deal with it.

-buy 2 sb-2000's and be done.

-buy pb-2000 for option #3 and a sb-2000 for the front right corner?

After 29 years of using stock television speakers for HT, I'm guessing 1 PB-2000 will make me happy....

Once again Thank You all for your advice, I have hard enough time deciding what kind of toothpaste to buy, if it weren't for your advice I would probably never complete my HT.

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A PB-2000 at option 3 and another one in the opposite corner. The diagram makes it look like it would fit there. If the opposite of the room is too small then maybe a SB-2000 there. I highly recommend 2. But if you can only go one right now. The PB-2000 right behind the couch at option #3 would be very nice.
Are you refering to the space just below the other rc-10 rear speaker? If so there is not enough space there to fit a 2nd.
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Thanks for the advice everyone.. I said wife, but really she's my girlfriend. I was too embarrassed to admit my girlfriend, who doesn't even live with me has a influence in my home theater arrangement redface.gif

I have never owned a surround sound system or any decent audio system (klipsch promedia 2.1 being the best) before and just recently purchased an Energy speakers from the frys deal(rc-70's, rc-10's rc-lcr). I would consider 2 subs but the pb-2000 would be a very big eye sore in the front right corner of the room. I could maybe do the smaller sb-2000? over there but from what I gathered the ported version will offer significantly gains at lower frequency.

the scenario's im considering are

-buy 1 pb-2000, try it out and if I find it lacking, purchase a 2nd. Try different configurations(option 1&3?) and if using the front right corner is absolutely necessary just deal with it.

-buy 2 sb-2000's and be done.

-buy pb-2000 for option #3 and a sb-2000 for the front right corner?

After 29 years of using stock television speakers for HT, I'm guessing 1 PB-2000 will make me happy....

Once again Thank You all for your advice, I have hard enough time deciding what kind of toothpaste to buy, if it weren't for your advice I would probably never complete my HT.
Are you refering to the space just below the other rc-10 rear speaker? If so there is not enough space there to fit a 2nd.

1) Good Bass in music and movies has never let me down with women

2) Get a Pb-2000 Try it in your 3 positions I have a feeling option 1 will work the best for a single sub

3) Report your results and don't plan on mixing and matching subs.
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According to what I read and understood, you suggested that you were going be mixing ported with sealed, hence my question.

This is what I was responding too:
To my eyes, the comment is a bit confusing and I was asking for a clarification.

That's what I was planning due to space limitations. The RW12d gives me the punch the NSD is lacking but it's a bit muddy so I wanted to replace that with a sealed. Really do not have the space for a PB-2000. Even my front space leaves almost no breathing room. It's possible I could make room for 2 ported cylinders. So I'm hoping for a PC-2000 within a year.

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How long ago did you buy the PC12?

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So I'm hoping for a PC-2000 within a year.

Have you given SVS a call to see what their future plans are regarding the possibility of there being a PC-2000?

How are you liking the PC12-NSD? Any reason not to replace the RW-12D with a matching PC12-NSD?

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about 30 days.


You do know you can send it back free of charge if you live in the USA.

Then get the PB 2000 or you can upgrade with in the year with full credit
of the PC12. But since you in the 45 day periode I would just sen it back and tell them to send you the PB 2000.

And if you want a second PB 2000 with in a year from this purchase they will give you the 5% discount for dual subs.

Read the SVS Bill of right if you're not familiar with it.



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Picking up my SB-2000 from closest FedEx drop off facility. Even with instructions to leave at the leasing office as FedEx usually and always does, even with pb1000, this time FedEx has held it since Saturday. I'm picking it up finally in 30 minutes. Tonight will be a good night!
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