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post #1321 of 1347 Old 06-25-2014, 02:36 PM
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I wish I could afford the PB12 Plus!



what about a pair of pb2000...


you could also look at psa xv15se


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what about a pair of pb2000...


you could also look at psa xv15se


cheers..
Haha, dual PB-2000 would cost $200 more than the PB-12 Plus that I already can't afford. Thanks anyway. I'll probably just buy the single PB-2000 and if I don't like it after a week or so send it back.
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you could also look at psa xv15se

+1

If you have 800 to spend, the PSA XV15se would be a better way to go IMO.

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bsullivan1983 -> If I was you, I would probably get 2 PB1000, from the outlet. That way you will get each one for $450 = $900 and MAAAAYBE another 50 off since you are buying 2. If by chance they will do that for $850 I can not see you doing much better.
But to be honest unless you want to bring down the foundation I can't see many people needed more than a single PB1000, yet alone a PB2000.
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big difference bear  -13.3 db  from the chart to your results can you explain why?

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It could be because the mic is not calibrated to the software or the mic is not calibrated at all

Bear, what are you using for a mic and is it calibrated? If it is not calibrated, it could read wrong and especially on the low end. There is no way that room gain is 13db and also 100db would have been better than every sub on the list.
Replying a bit late....missed this one. I think the sweep I did was accurate. In my 2525 cu. ft room, I get room gain starting at 34 Hz or so. Assuming 8 dB per octave of room gain easily explains an 11-12 dB increase at 10 Hz from data-bass numbers. Calibrated Umik-1 microphone. For comparison, my current ported subs that roll off pretty sharp in the 15-16 Hz region are three times as tactile on all LFE scenes than my sealed sub that was flat to 10 Hz. I am confident that had I gone with dual sealed, my dual ported subs would still have a large advantage in LFE effect despite the roll off.

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bsullivan1983 -> If I was you, I would probably get 2 PB1000, from the outlet. That way you will get each one for $450 = $900 and MAAAAYBE another 50 off since you are buying 2. If by chance they will do that for $850 I can not see you doing much better.
But to be honest unless you want to bring down the foundation I can't see many people needed more than a single PB1000, yet alone a PB2000.
Really??

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Some people need to experience a theater like yours Pain Infliction, would gain some perspective.

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bsullivan1983 -> If I was you, I would probably get 2 PB1000, from the outlet. That way you will get each one for $450 = $900 and MAAAAYBE another 50 off since you are buying 2. If by chance they will do that for $850 I can not see you doing much better.
But to be honest unless you want to bring down the foundation I can't see many people needed more than a single PB1000, yet alone a PB2000.
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I agree. A big room with 15 feet ceilings open to other rooms? Need a lot more sub than a single PB1000.

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Pain Infliction -> 2 PB1000 would out gun a single PB2000.


90% of people are satisfied with home theater in a box by LG or SONY... Most of those who think that sucks will think a BOSE home theater system is amazing... Then the few that the bose does not impress are impressed with say a POLK 505... Then the last maybe 5% that are not satisfied with that require an SVS, rhythmic, HSU, other internet direct, then maybe 1% require a DIY multiple 18"


Logic -> Out of over 900 people that bought the polk 505, almost 800 gave it a perfect score... That means 89% of people that bought the 505 are perfectly happy with it...


That being said, you need to determine just how crazy you want to go, and how much money/time/effort you wish to put into your system.


I don't think anyone can go wrong with most of the ID or DIY options.


I will say though if you want a purchase that will DEF last a LONG time, just get the SVS. It may have a bit less output, but will sound just as good or better, and last almost forever. But again, you can't go wrong... Pick your trade off.


Hope this helps.
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cel4145 -> If you read what I post/ what you quoted I suggested 2 PB1000..... Not a single.
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I think I'm going to order the single PB-2000 and give it a go. It has to sound better and hit me in the chest more than my Klipsch SW-350
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cel4145 -> If you read what I post/ what you quoted I suggested 2 PB1000..... Not a single.
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bsullivan1983 -> If I was you, I would probably get 2 PB1000, from the outlet. That way you will get each one for $450 = $900 and MAAAAYBE another 50 off since you are buying 2. If by chance they will do that for $850 I can not see you doing much better.
But to be honest unless you want to bring down the foundation I can't see many people needed more than a single PB1000, yet alone a PB2000.
Room size is a big factor in sub selection. Many people would benefit from a PB-2000 over the PB-1000 in a larger room. Plus, the PB-2000 has better SQ.

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cel4145 -> Again really depends what you want.... I have a friend with a SONY $139 walmart special and he says it fills his room with amazing sound quality. His room has 16 foot ceilings, and is 12*16... Everyone has a different opinion... At the end of the day most people will be perfectly happy with almost ANY ID or DIY option.


In regards to the PB2000 vs. two PB1000. The duel in MOST settings would sound better... Due to the greater placement options, smoother response, and most everyone has nulls and having another subwoofer can help. BUT, the main thing I think bsullivan1983 would benefit from is putting one PB1000 near field for the FEEL/punch and the other corner loaded for more SPL and potential extension.


2 PB1000 in MOST situations will outgun a single PB2000.
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Smittyfit.... You said

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But to be honest unless you want to bring down the foundation I can't see many people needed more than a single PB1000, yet alone a PB2000.

This is the part that I completely disagree with

Also, the benefit of two subs is for smoothing the response in different locations more than it is for output.

I know that you are more reserved in listening levels and there is nothing wrong with that. Most people do like running their subs hot to where they have a better experience from the MLP. That means the subs are running even harder at their location and just might run out of gas. A large room needs to be accounted for.

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Room size is a big factor in sub selection. Many people would benefit from a PB-2000 over the PB-1000 in a larger room. Plus, the PB-2000 has better SQ.

+1. The room is a HUGE factor!

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Some people need to experience a theater like yours Pain Infliction, would gain some perspective.

Thanks! I never heard a theater like mine before I added all of my subs. It was that I just wanted more clean bass without having to run my subs extremely hard and more distortion. Also, I wanted the ULF which I have never experienced before until recently. I am glad that I made the move and at the time my wife thought that I was crazy for adding more subs. Now she somewhat understands that this is what it takes with sealed subs.

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2 PB1000 in MOST situations will outgun a single PB2000.
Perhaps. But "most" can still leave many situations where something does not apply. I considered that option but ended up going with a single PB2000 (well, I will soon enough), after several exchanges with Ed Mullen at SVS. If SVS was only interested in extracting money from me, he'd have suggested dual PB-1000s. (my room is roughly 2200 cubic feet, but, for a variety of reasons, I'd be sitting no more than 6-7 feet from the sub).
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90% of people are satisfied with home theater in a box by LG or SONY...
Hmmm, you're talking about my sister . No doubt that there are millions of people who are quite happy with a HTIB or a Bose setup. There is nothing wrong with that. There are many people who don't need any more sound than what comes from their TV set (my brother and my lady friend for example, as well as dozens of friends and other family members), and that's just fine as well. However, anyone coming to websites like AVS are already in the tiny minority and have been hooked … and some hooked far greater than others. Because of that, the people here will suggest setups that far surpass what many here are looking for or think they need, but in the end, those who have listened are pretty thrilled.

Fortunately, I did not come to AVS when I was auditioning subwoofers. That fact probably saved me a ton of money .
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At the end of the day if you are looking to get an SVS for under $800, no matter what combination you will get around 100-106 dB @20 hz in a large room.


If you wish to vibrate your whole body with subsonic bass and shift your foundation $800 in SVS will NOT do this. You will need bass transducers or just build a horn.


If you go sealed in a large room... You need A LOT of money... You will need VERY high output amps, as sealed are not very efficient. Also you will need many of them, each having a high quality driver your talking about thousands of dollars...


To me, that is a real waste of money, specially when it can be done SO much cheaper with a more efficient design for that goal.


My good friend runs 1 horn and he hits over 120 dB @20hz ... He spent around $500 for that...


If you want MASSIVE output on a budget, sealed subwoofers are NOT a good way to go.


Just my opinion.
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bsullivan1983 -> Just to clarify for you... Your room is like mine. I have a PB1000 it hits 100 dB @20hz . For me this is sufficient. If you need more, say 106 dB get the PB2000. If you want around 110 dB get 2 PB2000. If you need over 110 dB just build a horn, or pay someone to build it for you. It will EASILY cost under $800. And it will get you WAY more output than the options you have in your price range.


Hope this helps dude!
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bsullivan1983 -> Just to clarify for you... Your room is like mine. I have a PB1000 it hits 100 dB 20hz. For me this is sufficient. If you need more, say 106 dB get the PB2000. If you want around 110 dB get 2 PB2000. If you need over 110 dB just build a horn, or pay someone to build it for you. It will EASILY cost under $800. And it will get you WAY more output than the options you have in your price range.


Hope this helps dude!
It might not help. bsullivan didn't give the volume area of his room plus open areas. So could be his room is a good bit bigger than your space and your experience and his experience won't be the same.
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cel4145 -> very true!

Either way dude, establish a budget, provide a bit more info, and I'm sure we can all help you come to the best possible solution.
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So I got the svs pb-1000 recently and it's rubbish, I'm now in the process of exchanging it for the pb-2000, will this make me happy or should I prepare for crushing disappointment?
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nirvy: Probably a crushing disappointment. After all, you didn't specify why you thought the PB-1000 was rubbish. You didn't specify your room volume and whether it was closed off or open to other rooms. You didn't specify what you use a subwoofer for, such as primarily movies or primarily music or both. You didn't specify at what dB levels you run your audio system. You didn't specify if you did the subwoofer crawl and had your sub placed in the ideal location so that your primary listening position was free of nulls and/or peaks. Nor did you specify if you've EQ and level matched your system, or run graphs to help determine what and where the problem lies. Because we have such a complete lack of information, it would be impossible to say one way or another, but I suspect my first sentence may sadly apply.
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So I got the svs pb-1000 recently and it's rubbish, I'm now in the process of exchanging it for the pb-2000, will this make me happy or should I prepare for crushing disappointment?
How is it rubbish?

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nirvy: Probably a crushing disappointment. After all, you didn't specify why you thought the PB-1000 was rubbish. You didn't specify your room volume and whether it was closed off or open to other rooms. You didn't specify what you use a subwoofer for, such as primarily movies or primarily music or both. You didn't specify at what dB levels you run your audio system. You didn't specify if you did the subwoofer crawl and had your sub placed in the ideal location so that your primary listening position was free of nulls and/or peaks. Nor did you specify if you've EQ and level matched your system, or run graphs to help determine what and where the problem lies. Because we have such a complete lack of information, it would be impossible to say one way or another, but I suspect my first sentence may sadly apply.

At first I thought my pb-1000 sounded pretty good but that was when I had it at lowish volumes during break in, at moderate volume levels it sounded a bit boomy and distorted(unclean). I did all the usual things, subwoofer crawl, receiver calibration(denon x4000), phase shift etc but couldn't get it to sound satisfactory so I had an online chat with guys at svs. They got me to strip the whole thing apart, take out the amp and driver to see what's up. They concluded based on the tests I did that the driver was faulty but I'm not so sure, if they are right then I apologise for the 'rubbish' comment. I didn't want to risk getting another however so I opted to exchange for the pb-2000 which is on it's way.


My room is 2300cuft fully enclosed with fabric frames on the walls and heavy carpet, I use it mostly for movies(6.1) and a bit for music. The pb-1000 didn't have a problem filling the room at my desired volume which is moderate, it just didn't sound very good to me. I did think long and hard about getting either the pb12 plus or sb13ultra but I just can't afford it right now. We'll see how things go with the pb-2000.

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