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I 1st has dual PB-1000s....quickly upgraded to PB-2000s. I wouldn't call them rubbish but the 1000s definitely left a lot to be desired for me. When I had the volume cranked up to -10 or higher and some heavy LFE hit they just couldn't handle it to my expectations. Now with the dual 2000s its much much better. Watched Gravity last night at -10 or so, and it was just an HBO HD feed but it sounded and felt amazing. Even made the dog start trembling.....that's my telltale sign....that and the wife complaining it's too loud!

Good to know, thanks.
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At first I thought my pb-1000 sounded pretty good but that was when I had it at lowish volumes during break in, at moderate volume levels it sounded a bit boomy and distorted(unclean). I did all the usual things, subwoofer crawl, receiver calibration(denon x4000), phase shift etc but couldn't get it to sound satisfactory so I had an online chat with guys at svs. They got me to strip the whole thing apart, take out the amp and driver to see what's up. They concluded based on the tests I did that the driver was faulty but I'm not so sure, if they are right then I apologise for the 'rubbish' comment. I didn't want to risk getting another however so I opted to exchange for the pb-2000 which is on it's way.


My room is 2300cuft fully enclosed with fabric frames on the walls and heavy carpet, I use it mostly for movies(6.1) and a bit for music. The pb-1000 didn't have a problem filling the room at my desired volume which is moderate, it just didn't sound very good to me. I did think long and hard about getting either the pb12 plus or sb13ultra but I just can't afford it right now. We'll see how things go with the pb-2000.
Now that explains quite a bit, and why you are unhappy with the PB-1000. A faulty driver will indeed sound like rubbish.

Since you've done everything you could with the PB-1000 … and you sure look like you know all the pitfalls and how to mitigate room modes, I'm hoping you will be highly impressed with the PB-2000. It should provide you with some very impressive bass in that medium size room, and since it is mostly for movies, the PB is a great choice. And yes, let us know what you think once you've set it up.
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Red face PB2000 or SB2000 or ForceField5

Hi Guys, I need advice to select between PB2000, SB2000, or GoldenEar ForceField 5.

My room is 19x13x10 = 2470 cu. feet (volume) and I listen to 50-50 Music Vs. Movies.

I have KEF Q900/Q300/Q600 5.1 setup running on Pioneer VSX-1326.

I am in Vancouver (Canada) and could not find any retailer close by to listen SVS, but I did try ForceField 5 and was amazed by amount of bass coming from it and was about to purchase it when I came across SVS brand and this thread about SB2000 & PB2000 appraisers!

Has anyone listened to all of the above 3 subs? which would you guys recommend? thx in advance
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Here is a previous discussion about the GoldenEar in comparison to SVS. GoldenEar ForceField 5

The PB12-NSD it is being compared to is the previous version of the PB-2000.

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Here is a previous discussion about the GoldenEar in comparison to SVS. GoldenEar ForceField 5

The PB12-NSD it is being compared to is the previous version of the PB-2000.
Thanks between PB-2000 and SB-2000? what would your first choice? any why?
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If you were amazed by the amount of bass from the Forcefield, then you want the PB-2000. It's the higher output of the two.

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Thanks between PB-2000 and SB-2000? what would your first choice? any why?
Hello, the pb2000 is going to be a much more powerful home theater subwoofer due to being ported vs sealed so the real question is do you have the space for the sub?

As for the ff5 its nice for a compact sub but its no pb2000 and at a lower price point.

Also not sure the shipping cost for you but power sound audio makes killer subs also, the xv15se is more powerful and about 100$ usd so you ha e options out there
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Not only did Jim Wilson have a difficult time getting info from these guys, I can't find any "real" specs from them either. I even took a look at their owner's manual and the specs reminded me of Def Tech. They show a frequency response of 12 Hz to 250 Hz … for a 12-inch driver plus passive radiator? Give me a break. Of course they didn't give a plus/minus range with that, so they can say just about anything, and apparently do. Same with the amplifier. GoldenEar shows 1500 watts (S&V noted it as 1,000 watts RMS and 2,000 watts peak), so I'm not sure why GoldenEar doesn't give accurate specs (again, it's the same knock on Def Tech). A thousand watts is impressive, so why exaggerate? And a spec of 24 Hz - 138 Hz plus/minus 3 dB, while certainly not a world beater, is respectable The one review I could find (S&V) noted it down -3 dB at 24 Hz and down -6 dB at 21 Hz. While a far cry from its stated specs, it's probably a very solid subwoofer, especially from 24 Hz on up, but at $1,000 I would have expected more capability or a nice wood finish and not vinyl. The weight at 42 lbs. is probably average for its small size. Heck, my cheap BIC V1220 weighs 42 lbs.

SVS shows the PB-2000 specs at 17 Hz - 260 Hz plus/minus 3 dB, and they don't tend to exaggerate, however, I don't have a clue what an $800 sub in the USA would end up costing you.
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Not only did Jim Wilson have a difficult time getting info from these guys, I can't find any "real" specs from them either. I even took a look at their owner's manual and the specs reminded me of Def Tech. They show a frequency response of 12 Hz to 250 Hz … for a 12-inch driver plus passive radiator? Give me a break. Of course they didn't give a plus/minus range with that, so they can say just about anything, and apparently do. Same with the amplifier. GoldenEar shows 1500 watts (S&V noted it as 1,000 watts RMS and 2,000 watts peak), so I'm not sure why GoldenEar doesn't give accurate specs (again, it's the same knock on Def Tech). A thousand watts is impressive, so why exaggerate? And a spec of 24 Hz - 138 Hz plus/minus 3 dB, while certainly not a world beater, is respectable The one review I could find (S&V) noted it down -3 dB at 24 Hz and down -6 dB at 21 Hz. While a far cry from its stated specs, it's probably a very solid subwoofer, especially from 24 Hz on up, but at $1,000 I would have expected more capability or a nice wood finish and not vinyl. The weight at 42 lbs. is probably average for its small size. Heck, my cheap BIC V1220 weighs 42 lbs.

SVS shows the PB-2000 specs at 17 Hz - 260 Hz plus/minus 3 dB, and they don't tend to exaggerate, however, I don't have a clue what an $800 sub in the USA would end up costing you.
I agree, their specks are not detailed, I was struggling to find their normal RMS, but all they (GoldenEar) list on their site is peak watt! I was trying to go for small size possible without compromising quality, in that case I think I might also start considering SB13 Ultra, somewhat same size as PB-2000 but I believe I will get a lot more satisfying bass out of that bad boy

Is SB13 that much better than PB-2000? (comparing price?) - for room size 2500 cu. feet?
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I own the SB13-Ultra and have never auditioned the PB-2000, but yes it will be better than the PB-2000. Is it twice as good since it is twice the price. Heck no. But it fills my 3,500 cu.ft. area without problem. If you need a great small sub, the SB13-Ultra is it for both music and movies (I use mine for music only). It's basically a 17.5-inch cube, with a curved front grille that extends out another 3 inches. But that little puppy weighs 92 lbs., so it isn't light. The PB-2000 is significantly larger at 20.5 H x 17 W x 22 D, not including the grille. It weighs quite a bit less than the SB13 at around 65 lbs. Actually, the PB-2000 will probably be more effective and have more output near its tuning port, but the SB13 has a chance to dig deeper with cabin gain.

Why did I go for the SB13 over a PB-2000? Same reason as you are thinking about it. Size, plus the piano black fits my decor, and of course all around performance for my needs. So if you don't mind paying double for a more convenient size and a bit better sound, go for it. But if I were you, I'd talk to SVS and perhaps audition the PB-2000. If you don't like it return it for the SB13, but I have little doubt that you'll like it, and that keeps a lot of coin in your pocket.
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I agree, their specks are not detailed, I was struggling to find their normal RMS, but all they (GoldenEar) list on their site is peak watt! I was trying to go for small size possible without compromising quality, in that case I think I might also start considering SB13 Ultra, somewhat same size as PB-2000 but I believe I will get a lot more satisfying bass out of that bad boy

Is SB13 that much better than PB-2000? (comparing price?) - for room size 2500 cu. feet?
In all honesty the force field 5 is about 450-500 watts rms. Just do the very simple math of currer draw x voltage and you get your true rms and that is only if running at 100% efficiency. Caps only store so much potential before your running at supply power
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I own the SB13-Ultra and have never auditioned the PB-2000, but yes it will be better than the PB-2000. Is it twice as good since it is twice the price. Heck no. But it fills my 3,500 cu.ft. area without problem. If you need a great small sub, the SB13-Ultra is it for both music and movies (I use mine for music only). It's basically a 17.5-inch cube, with a curved front grille that extends out another 3 inches. But that little puppy weighs 92 lbs., so it isn't light. The PB-2000 is significantly larger at 20.5 H x 17 W x 22 D, not including the grille. It weighs quite a bit less than the SB13 at around 65 lbs. Actually, the PB-2000 will probably be more effective and have more output near its tuning port, but the SB13 has a chance to dig deeper with cabin gain.

Why did I go for the SB13 over a PB-2000? Same reason as you are thinking about it. Size, plus the piano black fits my decor, and of course all around performance for my needs. So if you don't mind paying double for a more convenient size and a bit better sound, go for it. But if I were you, I'd talk to SVS and perhaps audition the PB-2000. If you don't like it return it for the SB13, but I have little doubt that you'll like it, and that keeps a lot of coin in your pocket.
Thanks for details, very useful! So i did talk to SVS and they recommended PB-2000. I will place an order on sonicboomaudio.com - SVS does not ship directly to Canada
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Done Deal - ordered PB-2000, can't wait to get the shipment
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Awesome! Be sure to let us know what you think when you get it

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