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Hey you never know til you ask.

Never "ask" for something you want.

What you got back home, little sister, to play your fuzzy warbles on? I bet you got little save pitiful, portable picnic players. Come with uncle and hear all proper! Hear angel trumpets and devil trombones. You are invited.
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Just waiting for this thing to get a bit warmer to get it hooked up. Been sitting in.my garage since 11am in 6° F weather.
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After my first impression of the PB2000, during which i noticed lower extension listening to "Bass I Love You", it seemed to be a bit punchier in the mid and upper base than the PB12-NSD.  I know subjective impressions are difficult to be accurate with, but that's just what I seem to be noticing as a slight difference.  I do seem to notice the slightly lower tuning point.  On WoTW pod scene I could not notice a big difference.  It was so ridiculous with the pb12 that to me, it just wasn't the right material to judge a difference on.

 

I wish I had measuring equipment to post some comparative graphs in room, but just not set up for that yet.  I simply listened to a number of songs that I am familiar with and adjusted the level of the sub until it sounded right.  I then cranked up a few good bass heavy songs, which is where I came away with the impression of a punchier mid bass sound as well as a noticeable improvement in low end extension.

 

Can not tell a difference in max output, but I never had an issue running out of headroom, I just don't listen loud enough.

 

Just thought I would share my initial impressions for those waiting for this sub to come in, or considering an order.


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So is there such a thing as breaking in a subwoofer? Right now my pb12 NSD seems to be sounding a tad better the my PB2000. They are being connected to the same subwoofer channel via a y splitter. I have them matched at the gain/volume level with the knob on the back. Ive moved each in the same locations playing the same movie scenes. I kinda feel like my NSD was the same way though when I first got it and it sounds better a year later. Any thoughts?
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So is there such a thing as breaking in a subwoofer? Right now my pb12 NSD seems to be sounding a tad better the my PB2000. They are being connected to the same subwoofer channel via a y splitter. I have them matched at the gain/volume level with the knob on the back. Ive moved each in the same locations playing the same movie scenes. I kinda feel like my NSD was the same way though when I first got it and it sounds better a year later. Any thoughts?

Your knob on the back Gain/volume will not correlate from one to the other. You need to calibrate. Yes your new sub will take some break-in time to be at it’s best. 20-40hrs.

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So is there such a thing as breaking in a subwoofer? Right now my pb12 NSD seems to be sounding a tad better the my PB2000. They are being connected to the same subwoofer channel via a y splitter. I have them matched at the gain/volume level with the knob on the back. Ive moved each in the same locations playing the same movie scenes. I kinda feel like my NSD was the same way though when I first got it and it sounds better a year later. Any thoughts?


I noticed also that the gain levels do not match between the pb12 and pb2000.  The gain knob has to be  bit higher on my pb2000 than on the pb12.


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I noticed also that the gain levels do not match between the pb12 and pb2000.  The gain knob has to be  bit higher on my pb2000 than on the pb12.

Sounds like the PB1000's. Most had to set theirs at about the 2 O'Clock position.


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I noticed also that the gain levels do not match between the pb12 and pb2000.  The gain knob has to be  bit higher on my pb2000 than on the pb12.

What is gain?

I often hear this referred to.

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Gain is essentially the subwoofers amp volume. Its usually not referred to as volume cuz its not linier.
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Same as av amplifiers, negative dB value of 100%

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Gain? why here is a graph that might be of help? That's Ed biggrin.gif Attenuation..

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Funny, I always thought he was taller. wink.gif
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Your knob on the back Gain/volume will not correlate from one to the other. You need to calibrate. Yes your new sub will take some break-in time to be at it’s best. 20-40hrs.

I would have assumed that the gain would have needed to be lower with the PB-2000 than on the PB12-NSD since it is more powerful. I hope it will equal out or best the NSD after it gets broken in a bit. I Haven't thrown anything crazy at it yet and kept the volume at normal/medium levels, but with lower volume the NSD is shaking my couches and doors a bit more than the 2000. The 2000 seems a bit tighter which may be from it being new and stiffer at the moment.

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Gain is essentially the subwoofers amp volume. Its usually not referred to as volume cuz its not linier.

"Gain" has been replaced with "Volume" on the PB-2000, maybe to not confuse people as much.
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But it still is gain. Volume is the overall level of the entire audio system including the sub,

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Funny, I always thought he was taller. wink.gif

I thought the same thing, buuuut.. smile.gif
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I would have assumed that the gain would have needed to be lower with the PB-2000 than on the PB12-NSD since it is more powerful. I hope it will equal out or best the NSD after it gets broken in a bit. I Haven't thrown anything crazy at it yet and kept the volume at normal/medium levels, but with lower volume the NSD is shaking my couches and doors a bit more than the 2000. The 2000 seems a bit tighter which may be from it being new and stiffer at the moment.

How can I say this.. Think of a water faucet. With some you turn them 1/2 on and it’s like full bore. With others at 1/2 it’s much less, you have to crank them full bore to get full bore. The 500w amp has more to give but it’s flow dial is just calibrated a little differently. I hope that makes sense.
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I would have assumed that the gain would have needed to be lower with the PB-2000 than on the PB12-NSD since it is more powerful. I hope it will equal out or best the NSD after it gets broken in a bit. I Haven't thrown anything crazy at it yet and kept the volume at normal/medium levels, but with lower volume the NSD is shaking my couches and doors a bit more than the 2000. The 2000 seems a bit tighter which may be from it being new and stiffer at the moment.
"Gain" has been replaced with "Volume" on the PB-2000, maybe to not confuse people as much.

As has been suggested, have you run some form of calibration separately for each sub? If not, you are comparing the NSD calibration on the NSD to the NSD calibration on the PB2000. You need a PB2000 calibration. Don't worry about where the gain knob is set, rather set it where it needs to be so that the output is calibrated. If the output is calibrated, both subs should have the same output, but the PB2000 should have more headroom. If you want more output, by using some of the headroom, then increase your sub out a couple of dB.

Experts who know more than me, feel free to chime in.
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How can I say this.. Think of a water faucet. With some you turn them 1/2 on and it’s like full bore. With others at 1/2 it’s much less, you have to crank them full bore to get full bore. The 500w amp has more to give but it’s flow dial is just calibrated a little differently. I hope that makes sense.
I would think so?

That makes perfect sense, thanks! I'll do a bunch more testing today, I don't have any sort of calibration equipment other than what Audyssey gives me. My speakers suck so it usually sets my subs low and I manually dial them back up.
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A good way to look at the gain difference between the pb12 and the pb2000  could be as such:

 

PB12 @ 12:00 gain = 60% max power

PB2000 @ 12:00 gain = 40% max power

 

This is not necessarily 100% accurate but it is a realistic explanation of how the output can vary.  In the end, the pb2000 is going to have higher maximum output.

 

Also, as it may have gotten lost in some of the long threads, I noticed deeper extension with my pb2000 vs the pb12, and i seemed to notice a punchier mid-upper bass.


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As has been suggested, have you run some form of calibration separately for each sub? If not, you are comparing the NSD calibration on the NSD to the NSD calibration on the PB2000. You need a PB2000 calibration. Don't worry about where the gain knob is set, rather set it where it needs to be so that the output is calibrated. If the output is calibrated, both subs should have the same output, but the PB2000 should have more headroom. If you want more output, by using some of the headroom, then increase your sub out a couple of dB.

Experts who know more than me, feel free to chime in.

I have calibrated my NSD only with my Denon 2113CI receiver, I don't own any other equipment. I just thought that the receivers calibration would be nearly identical with both subs. I will run Audyssey again with the PB-2000 when I get home today.
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I have calibrated my NSD only with my Denon 2113CI receiver, I don't own any other equipment. I just thought that the receivers calibration would be nearly identical with both subs. I will run Audyssey again with the PB-2000 when I get home today.

Anytime you make any changes to your room/equipement you should re-run Audyssey. Also, the two subs will (should?) be different even if placed in the exact same spot. Also, congrats on the new sub!.
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I have calibrated my NSD only with my Denon 2113CI receiver, I don't own any other equipment. I just thought that the receivers calibration would be nearly identical with both subs. I will run Audyssey again with the PB-2000 when I get home today.


Yeah I am pretty sure running Audyssey with the PB2000 will end up with cranking up the sub level in your avr, or, start with the sub gain at 1:00 since it appears to be a bit different from the pb12.


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Anytime you make any changes to your room/equipement you should re-run Audyssey. Also, the two subs will (should?) be different even if placed in the exact same spot. Also, congrats on the new sub!.

Yea makes sense I will do that first thing when I get home. Thanks!!, I am pretty sure I am going to get another PB-2000 soon and go dual for good. Watching some movie scenes with the PB-2000 and my PB12-NSD even at low volumes makes my whole basement shake. My wife kept trying to cut me off because all the dishes upstairs were rattling and she couldn't hear American Idol. I found a good movie scene was the beginning of the Dark Night rises when their in the plane and the bigger Jet flies over top of them. Some serious low bass.

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Yeah I am pretty sure running Audyssey with the PB2000 will end up with cranking up the sub level in your avr, or, start with the sub gain at 1:00 since it appears to be a bit different from the pb12.

Ok, will do. I had the NSD at about the 2:00 position and the 2000 at about the 3-4 position to get them to blend.
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Well I received mine today (they were here yesterday but I wasn't home to sign for them).  Anyway, here are a few pics that I snapped.  I want to let them warm up a bit since it's pretty cold out there.  Working on the house so I won't have time to play with em till later.  Had a very small ding on the bottom/face of one near the port but no big deal. 

 

The metal grill is huge and heavy!  I'm not against it but I will be leaving it off.  I love the look of seeing the driver.  Oh and I took a pic of my old Velodyne CT-8 next to the new beast ha.  I haven't started construction on the dedicated theater in the basement and as you can tell from a few of the tools laying around I'm still working on other parts of the house as well.  Hence the tv sitting on the floor and wires all over the place but I'm getting there.  Looking forward to hearing these in a sealed room.  The dual PB-1000s I had last week sounded pretty impressive in my living room though so these should kill.  Enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

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Well I received mine today (they were here yesterday but I wasn't home to sign for them).  Anyway, here are a few pics that I snapped.  I want to let them warm up a bit since it's pretty cold out there.  Working on the house so I won't have time to play with em till later.  Had a very small ding on the bottom/face of one near the port but no big deal. 

The metal grill is huge and heavy!  I'm not against it but I will be leaving it off.  I love the look of seeing the driver.  Oh and I took a pic of my old Velodyne CT-8 next to the new beast ha.  I haven't started construction on the dedicated theater in the basement and as you can tell from a few of the tools laying around I'm still working on other parts of the house as well.  Hence the tv sitting on the floor and wires all over the place but I'm getting there.  Looking forward to hearing these in a sealed room.  The dual PB-1000s I had last week sounded pretty impressive in my living room though so these should kill.  Enjoy.

Congrats! What size is your dedicated theater room going to be? That's one thing I wish I had, that's a requirement for my next house. Right now my main basement area is my theater room which is a little harder to fill with bass because of it not being a square or rectangle and the stairs being open. My previous PB12-NSD did a good job, I expect the same or better with the PB-2000 after I get it calibrated and broken in a bit. I did a little testing last night with them in a dual setup and was impressed with how much more it filled the room with even bass. I couldn't localize my subs at all.
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Thanks lindino, can't wait to hear these guys in action. Dual subs truly do wonders for any room imo. My raw space I have available downstairs is 14Wx28Dx7H but I believe it'll be closer to 13x22 or so. Other areas of my fixer upper need to be finished first but I should be able to start within the next month or so. I bought this house over others because of the perfect space for the theater. The room sits under the living room and part of two bedrooms so I don't have to worry about covering any plumbing. It's perfect. Would like a little taller ceiling but I can't complain. I've never had a sealed room and I just can't wait. I have all my equipment but just need to start construction. These two subs will be more than adequate for years to come.
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Got my notice that my SB2000 has shipped, but no info from FexEx yet. This completes the upgrade of the theater room. I've gone from 5 Def Tech PC80s, a PC100, and a ProSub 100 to a pair of Def Tech SM65s, CS8040, SR8040s, one PC80 for rear center, and now the big boom. I'm giddy.
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Thanks for the angled pics of the grill hockeypucks. That answers that question for those of us who have never owned an SVS sub.

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UPS is coming to pick up my NSD on Mon. The 27th it was still under the 45 day trial and the grill kept falling off, so I am upgrading to the pb2000 as soon as they receive my nsd. Any word on how long the shipping is taking on the 2000 series? Are they shipping within 24hrs like all there other subs? I got my nsd in less than a week of when I ordered online. I really don't want to be subless for over 2 weeks but can't afford to wait on a refund and purchase the 2000 before I ship out the NSD! This is gonna be a rough couple a weeks! LOL
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I got my subs the day after they went out but I live about 3 hours away from SVS so I'm sure that helped ha. Yeah I was kinda surprised to see how the grill attached. It's very beefy and solid but didn't realize it stuck out the way it did. Looks cool but I like it better without. Though I may change my mind later. Glad the pics helped.
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