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Room is 3000 cubic feet, and I'll be pairing these up with two RF 62 ii, RC 52, RS 42.

 

I like music and HT both very much, and don't want to sacrifice one for the other. 

 

My thoughts, I would want two 10s for full volume in my large room, but the 15 would give me that super deep bass at and below 20hz. I think it'd fill up the room, but still not sure which way to go. If I could tame the 15 I think I'd be happier with it, but I'm still torn. Old school thoughts are that a 10" cone is the best for music and blah blah... Not sure if that's true today, if it ever was, but I don't want to discount it. 

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Do you have to have a Klipsch Subwoofer for any reason??? I ask because they are not very good and they are VERY overpriced.

If you can buy other brands besides Klipsch, what is your budget for a sub(s)? And what is the total cubic footage of your room and any open area to that room.

Around this forum you will learn about ID (Internet Direct) subwoofer companies. They make amazing subs and way better bang for your buck. Brands such as: PSA (Power Sound Audio), Rythmik, Hsu Research, SVS, Outlaw Audio are very popular brands around here and they offer some serious subs.
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Room is 3000 cubic feet ... I like music and HT both very much, and don't want to sacrifice one for the other.

My thoughts, I would want two 10s for full volume in my large room, but the 15 would give me that super deep bass at and below 20hz.
A quick Google shows the SW-115 retailing for ~$850 and the SW-110 retailing for ~$500.

For dual 10" subs, I'd go with dual SVS PB-1000s for $949, shipped.

For a single larger sub, I'd go with the 12" SVS PB-2000 ($799, shipped) or 15" PSA XV15 ($799, shipped).

All of these subs are:
- powerful and well-rated;
- offer plenty of output and sub-20Hz extension; and
- are said to be as good with music as they are with HT.

If you're in doubt about the performance and sound quality of ID subs, SVS offers free return shipping within 45 days, for a risk-free, in-home demo.
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What he said. Don't but a klipsch sub.

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As I stated, my room is 3000 cubic feet 19x17, not L shaped or otherwise oddly shaped. It's a bonus room, used to be a carport in a former life. 

 

Responses are basically what I was thinking. The Klipsch subs are 20% off at Fry's right now. The SW 110 is $400 pc, and the 115 is 680. Does that change anyone's thoughts?

 

If the Klipsches are at full price then the SVS subs are hands down the better deal, I'm aware of them, and other internet direct subs, and from what I've read, the SVS are the best of the bunch.

 

Fry's also has one year same as cash which I was going to take advantage of, but I could also be a big boy and just save up on the SVSs... alas... 

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The Klipsch subs are 20% off at Fry's right now. The SW 110 is $400 pc, and the 115 is 680. Does that change anyone's thoughts?
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Well, I guess I'll hijack my own thread...

 

 

Dual SVS PB-1000s 10's for $950

 

OR

One 12" SVS PB-2000 $800

 

OR 

 

One SVS PC12-NSD cylindrical $750

 

 

I'm very curious about that PC12-NSD... Does it have broad applications for HT and music?

 

Oh and I listen to everything from classical to rock, to country, to gangster rap...

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HSU VTF-15H will murder those Klipsch subs. Stay away from Klipsch and Def Tech when it comes to subs. HSU, Outlaw, PSA, SVS, Rythmik all have amazing subs in the price range of Klipsch SW-115, which will surely destroy this sub in any department.

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Sorry somehow I missed the room size.

Nope go internet direct and you will never regret your decision... Dual subs are the way to go if you can if you place them where they sound and measure best it will help even out the frequency response throughout the whole room and you will get approx 3db more SPL than just 1 sub. I have dual Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus subs in a 2,400 cu ft room and I think they sound great and have a very tactile response and really make movies come alive. I wouldn't want less sub than what I have tho for my size room... If I were to buy new subs right now I would buy 2 - SVS PB2000. If your room is sealed to all other parts of the house you may want to consider 2 - SVS SB2000, sealed should give good room gain in your room if its sealed.

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HSU VTF-15H will murder those Klipsch subs. Stay away from Klipsch and Def Tech when it comes to subs. HSU, Outlaw, PSA, SVS, Rythmik all have amazing subs in the price range of Klipsch SW-115, which will sure destroy this sub in any department.

Def Tech kills me when they claim their 8" sub gets 20HZ... I'm like really guys?

 

again, it's the Fry's 20% off deal on Klipsch that's got me thinking... 

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Hello Claw... Just want to say that I bought a single SW-112 (12 in.) in a clearance sale for 399$ at Futureshop and returned it. I too have Klipsch speakers (RF-7) they are great, but not their subs. For HT it was OK, but with music it sucked big time.

So I went for a SVS PB-1000 (only 10 in.!) and it blows away the Klipsch sub with both music and HT!

Hopes this help a bit biggrin.gif

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There ya go even coming from a Klipsch owner. Glad to see someone with experience with both Klipsch and SVS says that the SVS blows the Klipsch away.

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Sorry somehow I missed the room size.

Nope go internet direct and you will never regret your decision... Dual subs are the way to go if you can if you place them where they sound and measure best it will help even out the frequency response throughout the whole room and you will get approx 3db more SPL than just 1 sub. I have dual Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus subs in a 2,400 cu ft room and I think they sound great and have a very tactile response and really make movies come alive. I wouldn't want less sub than what I have tho for my size room... If I were to buy new subs right now I would buy 2 - SVS PB2000. If your room is sealed to all other parts of the house you may want to consider 2 - SVS SB2000, sealed should give good room gain in your room if its sealed.

The room has a closet (no door) which spans the 19' width back wall, and is about 3 feet deep (so 19x3). Like I was saying, no door to the opening (typical doorway). I hung a curtain though. This opening is dead center of the back wall. The curtain keeps a good diffusion if sound wanted to bounce around in there. Not sure if this would matter...

 

Otherwise the room can be sealed off by closing the door to the rest of the house (old back door, and is still an exterior door, but inside) and the side door to the outside carport. 

 

So are you saying I should use a sealed sub? explain?

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I'm saying you could go sealed if you wanted to. Sealed subs are generally smaller in size. Ported subs are great for large open areas and a ported sub will have more output than a sealed sub around the ported sub's tuning frequency (maybe 18 to 22hz) then the ported sub's freq response drops very quickly below that point. A sealed sub has a natural gradual roll off, so in a small/mid size sealed room with dimensions no longer than about 20ft the sealed sub will experience room gain in the less than 30hz frequency range. This means that the sub could extend much lower than ported in a room, and can have a fairly flat response into the lower teens.

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IMO your room is too big for sealed subs unless it's at least something like a pair of SVS SB13 ultras or pair of PSA XS30s.

In your price range a pair of the PB1000s would be the best choice. It only goes up from there. smile.gif

My advice would be to buy the biggest single sub you can afford now and think really hard about if you can buy another down the road, or buy the best dual sub configuration you can afford now and live with it.

Of course SVS has a one year trade up policy, so today a pair of PB1000s some time within the next year, a pair of PB2000s or better......

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