About a year into this hobby, I upgraded my Onkyo receiver to a Denon. I noticed an improvement, but something still seemed wrong. Did some acoustic treatments in the room. Helped...still something wrong.
Finally in 2011 I brought the Bravus 10D into Aperion and they ran tests. They reported back to me that "they match very closely in terms of their frequency response in terms of dB vs. the frequency that they are producing" (mine versus a test model). I took it home and went back to tweaking and adjusting settings.
Fast forward to now and we moved to a new home in a new state. I have a larger theater now (21x21) and while I calibrated the theater well, the sub is driving me nuts. I went to YouTube and played the following frequency sweep:
At "normal" volumes it sounds good to about 50hz but then becomes very distorted. If I turn the volume down it gets to about 40hz but anything below that sounds horrible (while the frequency drops, it gets a high pitched squeal). I played with the sub volume and the receiver volume...can't get anything below 40hz to sound good.
I'm heading to Portland this Monday and was going to bring the sub to have them test it again, but after running this sweep and reading a bit online I'm realizing that perhaps I've pushed this little sub way beyond its intended limits. Being HT and gaming dedicated, I want that deep rich bass. And unless there is a slim chance that my sub is actually defective, I'm realizing the 10D won't get me there. Soooooo...2 questions:
- I'm open to suggestions for a good quality sub for dedicated HT and gaming...in a dedicated room that is 21x21. Happy with my other Aperions I was looking at the 12D, but wonder if maybe I should broaden my search.
- I wired the new theater for dual-subs but haven't done much research on them. For a room this size, would I hear a noticeable difference having duals rather than just one really good high-quality sub?
Side note: I'm looking at the 10D online now and it looks like it has different specs than my 10D from 4 years ago. Mine is 300W, the current one is 500W. Current frequency response is (- 3dB) 27Hz - 180Hz (- 6dB) 25Hz - 200Hz while my version is (- 3dB) 30Hz - 180Hz (- 6dB) 26Hz - 180Hz
Appreciate any thoughts. Thanks all.
Klipsch RF 7 based HT 7.4, Pioneer SC 35, Acurus 200 Five, Dayton 18 Ultimxa Dual Sub Cab(2), Dayton 18 Ultimax Large Vented Sub Cab (2), on Berhinger I Nuke DPS amps, Samsung BDP F 7500, Asus/My Book Live HPC 4 TB
Yaquin VK 2100 amp, McIntosh XR 5 speakers, Samsung BDP F 7500
SubMersive's usually take Best of Show honours in listening tests / GTG's:
If you can swing the $250 upcharge, the SubMersive F2 looks nicer.
For $2,500 or less:
- dual SVS PB-2000
- dual PSA XV15 or XS30
- dual HSU VTF-15H (a.k.a., VTF-15H DualDrive)
For just over $2,600: dual SVS PB12-Plus.
For closer to $3,000: dual Rythmik FV15HP.
As suggested, I believe the dual Rythmiks would be the best option for under $3k. The output of this setup should blow you away, as these subs are absolute output monsters for the price. I don't know for sure how they would compare to a single $2500 sub, perhaps someone with experience could chime in about a single submersive. My guess would be the dual Rythmiks would be very hard to beat.
I am willing to bet a single Rythmik would blow you away compared to what you have had.
However, with this big of an expenditure I do recommend looking into the seaton. I simply do not know enough about them to make and educated recommendation compared to the Rythmik. Perhaps the PSA Triax would also be a similar single sub option at $3k.
AVR: Yamaha RXV-375
Display: Panasonic TH-50PC77U
LCR: Hsu HB1.2 HC1.2
Sub: (2) PSA XV15se
Blu Ray: Sony BDP-S5100
Also IQ22 just so you know what your up against. A perfectly square room is the worst room for bass peaks and nulls. You will definitely want to make sure your seating is about 2/3 the distance from front wall to rear wall to ensure that your not sitting in a null.
I understand the challenges of the square room...unfortunately I was stuck with the dimensions! I've done some work with GIK Acoustics to tame it and think we're in an OK place. And yes, my main row of seating is about 2/3 of the way back (with a second, less used, row on a riser behind it).
Doing some research last night I was looking at the dual PB12-Plusses and the Rythmiks. I'll look at some of the other suggestions as well.
I'm pretty convinced that if I do this, I should just go duals regardless of model.