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Hello everyone;
A couple of years ago, I offered to help fellow Sunfire owners out of sympathy and camaraderie but never expected a flood of broken product. We must've fixed fifty since then. Here's the story:
Almost all MKII subs are failing world-wide. Virtually all need a cap job and partial rebuild. Many have blown outputs as well. Around 85% of the subs we get in are MKIIs, 10% Juniors and the remaining 5% are various other models. The original model was essentially hand-built in WA state from decent parts. With the MKII, cheap Chinese caps were employed with a life span of 10 to 15 years so here we are. Hum is the first indicator (assuming it's not a simple ground loop). In addition, the boards are so cheap and flimsy the traces peel right off if soldered by anyone lacking experience.
Now the good news: I've repped dozens of brands from Sunfire to M&K to Yamaha, from Apogee to REL and on and on. Sunfire fired me when the company was sold and now the brand has lost its appeal. Yet, a Sunfire Sub was not only an astonishing invention, it changed the subwoofer world forever--both in home and car applications. Simply put, they are not only powerful but tuneful and no matter what inept audiophiles claim, they sound fabulous if set up correctly. There is still no product I've encountered, inch for inch, dollar for dollar, that will match their performance.
I will fix the sub amps for $260. We rebuild them with upgraded parts and burn in afterward and then re-test. Your sub will be slightly better than new. You pay the freight. The amp modules come right out and only weigh a pound or two --cheap to ship. I can fix some drivers but not all.

Finally, two things: replacement drivers simply do not work very well. Rebuild a broken driver if possible. The original voice coil must be saved for the amp to function well. Second, I'm one of maybe two or three entities who can help you. Your local repair facility cannot fix these correctly.

Feel free to email, text or call for help, advice or service. I'm a hobbiest as well as a pro and don't mind helping on any topic. I'm the founder of Onkyo USA and represented Sunfire for 12 years. 40 years in the business. Still pumping out brands you know and love.
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Actually thrilled to find your post and this thread. Considering a signature series used and great to know someone out there works on them.

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I was lucky enough to find this thread last week week when my Sunfire True Subwoofer EQ-12 passive radiator blew it self apart during a movie. The sub is a few months from end of warranty, and when contacting Sunfire, I found that it is no longer produced and a replacement part was unavailable. So they offered an HRS-12 as a replacement at a discount if I destroyed the TS EQ-12. I currently run two subs, the other being an HRS-12. The HRS is a great sub, but it is like a little PC speaker system sub in comparison to the 2,700 wall TS EQ-12 beast. I wasn't willing to downgrade so I'm on my own. then I found Franks thread here and contacted him to inquire about repairing the passive radiator. At this point, I already epoxied it back together, but was less than confident that it would hold up for very long. The weight in the back was originally glued to an MDF plate, and that MDF actually separated, not the glue joint. Frank promptly replied replied after consulting one of his specialists with a fix to mechanically fasten the thing together and how to do it. It was an easy fix (outside of all the drillbits I broke trying to bore through the metal weight), but not one I ever considered as i'm reluctant to touch the speaker cone, never mind drilling right through the middle of it. After drilling through the center, I added a machine screw with fender washers and a lock nut to ensure that this connection would be stronger than the original. I can't thank Frank enough for taking the time to offer free advice and a repair that cost less than $10 in epoxy and screws (actually add $15 in drill bits, but that was my fault) while Sunfire suggested I destroy a $2,000 + sub for a discount on an inferior model. The sub is now back together and pushing the structural limits of my house. I highly recommend contacting Frank to anyone who having issues with their Sunfire Sub. Below are some before and after pics in case someone else runs into this same issue.






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I noticed that Sunfire Subs are hardly ever spoken of on this site. I own a HRS-12 and am happy with it. I, too am glad if I ever have trouble with mine that I have a place to go to for repairs.
How's the reliability of the HRS-12? I had mine many years without problems.

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I bought my HRS-12 in 2010 and it's been problem free. The TSEQ-12 that I repaired was actually newer. But after a little research, it seems that it's a common problem with Sunfire subs with passive radiators. Since there isn't one on the HRS-12, hopefully it stays problem free. I ldon't drive mine particularly hard since I have the TSEQ-12. But the room is big, and if I turn up the TSEQ enough to cover the area, to many objects/ doors start rattling. So I keep the big one in the far back corner, and the HRS-12 in the opposite front corner of the room. They are about 32 feet apart. I'm very happy with these subs, and surprised that there isn't more chatter about them. I don't know of anything else that does what they do in that small package. They will rattle your rib cage, what more could you ask for?

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I also have a Paradigm PW-2100 in my 16 x 24 room. The Sunfire is in the front right corner and the Paradigm in the left. I plan to move the Paradigm to the back left corner when I get time.

As I was typing this on my I phone, something weird happened. A message came up saying done and a obscene comment was added to my post. So if anything obscene appears, it wasn't me.

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The small size and big sound of the HRS-12 is a big plus.

I wonder if changing the title of this thread to Sunfire Subs would spark some interest. I'm sure there are a lot of Sunfire owners on this site.

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I think you'll like that combo of opposite corners. I feel it covers the room extremely well, I have no sense of where the bass comes from. It just blends in perfectly.

The few times Sunfire subs are mentioned on here it's someone saying how a certain other brand with large fanboy club blows them away. Usually with no response if someone asks if they've ever heard one before. I actually have plenty of space for a much larger sub as this is a dedicated room. But I have never felt that I was short on bass despite the room size, and the fact that i'm on a carpeted concrete floor. A actually added Butt Kickers to my seating since the bass can't travel through the floor. I had to turn down the subwoofers since then because it added the perception of higher bass volume. Not sure if that makes sense the way I explained it.... I was at a buddy's house that had his theater on a 2nd floor (wood floor). I realized I was missing out feeling the bass through the furniture. The Butt Kickers do an even better job though. That feeling through the furniture can be adjusted independent of the sub volume. The best pat is any scene where .50 cal machine gun fire is occurring.

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While a .50 firing is cool, it ain't nothing like a fighter dropping a bomb near by and your body lifting off the ground. Or a 15,000 pound Daisy Cutter punching you in the stomach. That was some real bass.

My floor is hardwood and transmits bass very well. My system was in another room with concrete floors and while it sounded good there, things are much better now.

As I said earlier, I hope Sunfire owners come forward and start talking.

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And whenever "Hulk Smash!"

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I would have expected a lot more posts than this in a Sunfire forum.
Let me do my part. I've had an HRS-10 for year or so. Perfectly happy with it. But my room opens up into a large atrium on one side so the sub generates a lot of bass but it is only heard in two spots that I dont like to sit in.
So, I purchased two Sunfire TS-EQ10s. They are arriving in two days.
Two questions.
1) Should I bother using all 3 subs or the bass produced but the two TS-EQ10s would be enough? The HRS-10 is only 1,000W, while the True Subs are 2,700W each.
2) If the answer to the question above is "the more the merrier' , is it OK to use an RCA Y splitter from my AVR because it only has 2 sub output jacks.
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How big is your room? 3 may be a little much, but try it with 3 and 2. A Y connector will be fine. I would at first try the 2 same subs on the same Y.

Them Tru Subs are gonna rock.

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I noticed that Sunfire Subs are hardly ever spoken of on this site. I own a HRS-12 and am happy with it. I, too am glad if I ever have trouble with mine that I have a place to go to for repairs.
How's the reliability of the HRS-12? I had mine many years without problems.

The small sub market isn't big on this forum most are encouraged to go bigger. and is mostly filled by JL and Velodyne. And maybe a few more.

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The room is about 15X12. Pretty small. There is one passage going into the kitchen (no door). There is no third wall - just an adjacent dining room with two column separating my office (that is where all my gear is). My situation reminds me an episode of Top Gear, the British car show. There was a guy in it who started to work on a few engine parts for a racing cart in his small kitchen. Over a few years he added more parts, then a transmission, a body and in the end he had a fully functioning racing cart that was too big to be taken out of the kitchen. It was hilarious. He would crank it up once a month but of course - nowhere to go! Just lots of noise and a kitchen full of exhaust gas.
I am in the same boat. This is a small office, or rather a corner . I added a 37 inch HDTV. Then an AVR. Then upgraded speakers, then added a sub. A long story. I suppose I should move all this stuff into the living room where a 55 inch HDTV is, but I most likely end up watching "Desperate Housewhores" with my wife. Noway. I can watch and listen to whatever I want here, but I can only crank it up when her majesty is shopping. If my AVR volume button hits -50 (goes from -80 up to +10) I immediately hear "Turn it doooooooown"! So, lots of gear but nowhere to go! mad.gif


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I would say the two new subs you are getting will be more than enough for your sized room. That's the nice thing about Sunfire, big sound, small footprint.

My other sub is a Paradigm PW 2100. Much larger but cheaper in cost. I have no complaints about the Paradigm other than the Amp blew 3 times. The 3 rd time it blew I looked at the wires from the terminal board to the speaker and they were touching blowing out the amps. Paradigm said they were insulated and that was impossible. My ohm meter proved otherwise.

Getting a little off topic here, but another thing I like about Sunfire is how cool the amplifier runs. Much cooler than the Paradigm. My old Carver TFM-45 Power Amp ran very cool.

Kinda getting off topic here, but as you can tell, I am a fan of Bob Carver.

Enjoy your new subs. I'm jealous.

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Thanks. I've had a stressful couple of days because of these two subs.
I see this listing on ebay: "SUNFIRE TRUE 10" PR STS EQ10 SUBWOOFER SPEAKERS SIGNATURE SUB ROSEWOOD TS-EQ 10"
The starting price is $1,395.00. That is for a pair.
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Apparently, they come from an estate sale from some $22mln mansion. While I contemplate whether or not to bid, someone else places the first bid. I immediately do what I do well - I panic. The thought that someone will own these beauties is horrible! I contact the seller offering him $1600 for the pair ($200 over current high bid). We use a special double speak code because ebay communication board deletes all phone numbers or email addresses if the users have not sold/bought anything from each other. The seller calls me up and says "pay up now and I will ship them tomorrow (on Monday)".
I paypal him the money. I know the $1,600 is not that much for the two signatures.
Then, on Monday evening, I sense there is something wrong with the transaction. The seller is solid. His feedback is 10 times better than mine, he has been selling for many years, all he sells is high end gear , low end Picasso paintings and the likes. So, why do I have this feeling that I have been duped? I contact the seller - who has removed the auction by now and even sent me Fedex tracking) - and ask him if the subs were tested and if there are any issues. He says - no, he tested them, they worked fine and he stands 100% behind them even though the deal was made beyond ebay.
Then it hits me. The auction description is for True Signature STS EQ10, but the pictures show standard ones. The one above is the actual picture from the auction. The one below is of a Signature. It actually has Bob's fake signature and has an inscription, "Signature".

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I am not a Sunfire expert. But I know the difference between the two. The signatures have SPL 116, while standards are 110db. The Signatures are 13x13x13 and 53lbs, while standards are 11x11x11 and 48lbs. There is a more important difference. The price.
Who can help me with the price difference between them?
Much obliged.


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I can't help you with the price. You said you dealt beyond E Bay. Does that mean you did not use Pay Pal?

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I can't help you with the price. You said you dealt beyond E Bay. Does that mean you did not use Pay Pal?

Determining the price is very hard for these. I can find them between $1,500 and $1,900 each. Looks like new ones went for $2,500.
Regarding the auction. Here is what had transpired.
I went over the item description very carefully AFTER I had made the deal and paid (the expression "never underestimate your own stupidity" comes to mind!)
The auction description says it is the Signature edition. But details are clearly for the Standard edition (the SPL, the size, etc) So, the seller probably had no idea what he was selling. He just got this deal to sell whatever was in this foreclosed mansion and he pulled the descriptions off the Internet. What complicates things that nowhere on the sub it states which model it is. You have to KNOW that Signature has to say "Signature" on the body and there should be Bob's precious John Doe on it too. I figured this out after reading the manual online and checking out pictures on Google.
So, I email the seller writing "Hey, we have a problem". The Paypal transaction has gone trough a day ago, mind you. He replies back - horrified. Basically, he writes - sorry I had no idea. He offers to refund a couple of hundred or we can simply cancel the sale and he will recall the shipment and the Paypal payment. So, even though we went outside ebay he was still a paragon of integrity. A less scrupulous seller would say "hey , tough luck, next time ask before you buy and especially before you buy outside of ebay!"
Now, here is my dilemma. If I forgo the sale and hunt for a pair Signatures, they will run me a good three or four grand (a pair, I mean). Very hard to find them. I could probably get one Signature for roughly the same $1,600 I paid for this pair, but as I mentioned before my room is an acoustic Bermuda triangle. Having two 2,700W standards placed far apart in different corners will create a better soundstage than one 2,700W Signature. The 116dB SPL would be an overkill for me anyway. Listening at 70% volume makes my ears blead with my current 1,000W HRS-10 (but I have to be sitting on the floor under my desk in a corner to hit that sweet spot!). Another thing is that standards are smaller and in my situation 11 inches is perfect. A 13 inch Signature severely limits my placing choices. So, I replied back with a request for $200 refund. But first I wanted him to check if he still has the Signatures and the standards were shipped by mistake. He said yes, he will tell his people to check (his employees list stuff on ebay and ship them too).
Today he replies back - sorry, these are the only Sunfires he had. One of his guys made the error. I write OK, lets go for the refund. So, the subs are arriving in two days. I got two AudioQuest subwoofer cables for them. Not sure if they will make any difference.


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I bought my Signature TSEQ-12 new in 2011. I was told the sugg retail price was $2,300 (which was consistent with what I saw on Eba back then). Not sure what the smaller version was going for at the time.

I would just use the two new 10" subs in that size room. My room is much larger, and there is no shortage of bass from my Signature and HRS-12. Actually to calibrate it properly, I had to run EQ on the subfire first, then drop the volume on the sub before running Audyssey EQ on the receiver. I'm sure you'll have the same issue in the smaller space. Auyssey would set the level at -15db for the sub which is the limit of adjustment on my receiver. It actually needed to be lower than that and I wanted extra room to adjust up of down from there if needed. After lowering on the sub, I ran Audyssey again, and it dropped down to -8.0 db giving me some room to further decrease it from the receiver.

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I bought my Signature TSEQ-12 new in 2011. I was told the sugg retail price was $2,300 (which was consistent with what I saw on Eba back then). Not sure what the smaller version was going for at the time.

I would just use the two new 10" subs in that size room. My room is much larger, and there is no shortage of bass from my Signature and HRS-12. Actually to calibrate it properly, I had to run EQ on the subfire first, then drop the volume on the sub before running Audyssey EQ on the receiver. I'm sure you'll have the same issue in the smaller space. Auyssey would set the level at -15db for the sub which is the limit of adjustment on my receiver. It actually needed to be lower than that and I wanted extra room to adjust up of down from there if needed. After lowering on the sub, I ran Audyssey again, and it dropped down to -8.0 db giving me some room to further decrease it from the receiver.

Signature TSEQ-12 is a monster! Congratulations. I am glad you mentioned the calibration thing, Mattw79. The subs are arriving without the calibration mics. DO I need them? I saw one ebay for $30 a month ago, now its gone. What if set the sub calibration at factory default? Or do I NEED to get the mic and run it? What do I gain by doing so? How do I calibrate two subs though? Thanks.


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If I was doing it, I'd buy a mic. Then run the room correction on each sub. especially since you said the room shape is tricky. I run my subs in opposite corners of the room (diagonally). According to the manual, running two of these subs will increase the overall sub volume by 6db. I ran the sub EQ per the instruction manual, then decreased the sub master volume (maybe 30%, was some trial and error). After that, I ran Audyssey. If you follow those steps, the only other control you may need to play with is the phase on the subs. The sub eq, and Audyssey (at least my receiver's version of Audyssey), doesn't adjust the phase, it needs to be done manually. I left the phase on mine set to "Normal". I didn't hear any noticeable improvement experimenting with other positions in my current setup. But yours might be different. I would think balancing out your subs would be easier given that they are identical. My HRS-12 in one corner is nothing compared to the Signature TSEQ-12 I have in the far back corner. But I i'm happy with the way I have it balanced out. It doesn't sound stronger or weaker in any direction.

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Three subs and two corners. I would give anything for a normal room. Thanks for your input, though.


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Guys, I apologize for posting too much in this thread, but this is the only Sunfire experts thread I could find.
The two subs are still on their way. I am contemplating their positioning.
It seems that I have only ONE corner for the sub. There are three walls and two corners, one obstructed by an L-shaped couch:




The picture above was taken while I was standing in the passage into the dining room, separated from the office only by two columns (so no there is no wall there, where I am standing). I tried placing my HRS-10 under my workstation/desk (it is on my right in the picture, you cant see it), but it generates no bass while I am on the couch. It just mouths bass - I can see the driver moving like crazy, but almost nothing reaches the couch. The sound just dissipates to all other rooms, the kitchen directly across the sub and on my left and the dining room behind me, but not to where it needs to be.

So essentially, I left with two choices.

1) Place BOTH EQ-10s in the same corner, side by side since it is the only corner I have and it generates excellent bass. That is where HRS-10 has been placed until the two new subs arrive.




But then I am afraid that two subs may cancel each other out, so instead of more bass I will end up with less. Is this a reasonable assumption? If it is how do I configure them so they dont step on each other's toes? Phase adjustment?

2) Move the L-shaped couch so it separates the two rooms and continues on my right side in the picture, where the workstation is. Move the speakers and the gear to the window, placing the two subs in opposite corners, on the left and right of the speakers. This is not an option that I want to entertain because the couch will look out of place in the passage. I would much rather adjust the subs standing next to each other, if that is possible.

Is it possible, though?

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Again, there is a huge difference in output from your old sub, to the one's you have coming. I can't imagine you'll be short on bass when those two are setup in place. If it was my house, I'd put one in that corner where the existing sub is, and the other diagonally across the room next to the couch against that wall. If those are configured the same as mine, the back subs passive radiator would be facing the open room, and the active towards your couch. I would probably try it two ways, one with the sub controls facing that back wall, and another with the sub controls facing the end of that couch so the passive radiator could reflect off the back wall. Each time you try a new position, run the room correction on the sub.

I wouldn't worry about the subs canceling each other out. After everything is all set and Audyssey is done, you can manual adjust phase easy enough to resolve any issues.

I'm not an expert by any means, but that's how I would go about it initially.

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Again, there is a huge difference in output from your old sub, to the one's you have coming. .

Thanks for the prediction but I sincerely doubt that. Why, you ask? The subs arrived today. A picture speaks a thousand words.













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Holy Sh..... So sorry to see this happen to you. Was it Fedex that did this? The cardboard box in your pic doesn't look like it went through the same hell as the subs.

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Its hard to weep and post at the same time, but I will give it a try.
You are right. Who in their right mind will ship sensitive and very heavy electronics in a thin cardboard box, wrapped in one thin layer of bubble wrap? If you order a pair of dumbbells off of Amazon they will promptly arrive double boxed, bubble wrapped and suspended in those foam thingies (dont know what they are called). But to ship Sunfire subs like this? Holy Sh... is exactly what comes to mind, MAttw79, you are right!
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Yikes! I feel so bad for you.

Too bad you went out of the E-bay system for this deal. Did you pay by credit card through Paypal?

Now you are stuck with a shipping damage claim. Hope that the packages were insured for the full amount, but note that the seller is the one who is insured!
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Damn, do I feel bad for you. To be anxiously awaiting these and this crap happens. I wish you luck in getting this matter resolved. Damn, this really sucks. Do all you can to get this matter resolved and don't give up.

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